Very nice post and positive thoughts. I will tend to agree with you. Nevertheless the witnesses and most of the funding goes to an oligarch circle where other groups have not a lot to say...
We have seen it with the recent drama...
But overall we fair better than other blockchain a and if people want it to change. Well they can buy more HIVE and vote 🗳 to change the top faces right 😉?
Well they can buy more HIVE and vote 🗳 to change the top faces right 😉?
You can also talk to them, and reason with them, to change minds, or just find common ground, don't you think? Or build support with people we already agree with, right? In other words, we can politic effectively, right? Or wrong?
But overall you end up to find people like you and you build a community (such as HODL and dozen others) and everybody helps each other’s as well as create good content ! So I am very happy 😃 to be here
By bringing community together you “farm” (as it is a popular world at the moment) HIVE faster than the long term HODLers as you post a lot and these long term users have to sometimes get out of circle-jerk voting 😉. The issue is the selling pressure from users in emerging economies who need the USD and sell.
I like communities. I think community building is fantastic, but I guess the point I was trying to make was that it shouldn't be at the expense of the larger community. We have to take care of both.
Indeed ! I believe communities could be like a state / city level infrastructure where Hivers interact on a daily basis and then we gather to elect representatives (witnesses) for the country’s (blockchain) decisions
I have been and I know other people bullied by some of these top accounts for really weird reasons. Many of us experiences this and a lot of us had to leave because of it.
You have to okay by their rules and if you don’t: “full downvoted 😉”.
But some are also very nice humans 😂.
But that funding or top witness spot? Forget it, it is “reserved”. Look at how @dapplr had so much trouble (and few upvotes) to get funding whereas it was the best dapp needing it. At the same time some “top” friends get 10x more for doing Idk what...
That @dapplr example is clear as day though.
Clearly @ecency said NOPE! I'M THE ONLY MOBILE APP that gets to suck off 'da crew' for some nectar.
That's why all that you say about "Hive is great now" does make a good point (albeit celebrating steemit demise) but means little to the majority of users that continue to be meaningless here.
It boils down to "BUY YOUR POSITION or STFU... or don't STFU, because no one hears you anyway."
Or I guess your suggestion is "BEG to the right people, or lick ass is your last option."
Anyway COMMUNITIES is the gem still but it feels like they just exist as little community gardens by the city limits. The more the INNER CITY benefits the more pollution in the system and then those gardens suffer and struggle to grow.
I guess it all really comes down to time frame and how much each individual is willing to put into it. HIVE is great now in-so-far as foundations for long term success go. Without those foundations, there would be little to work for. That being said, I do not mean to imply that everything is great - only the foundation is great IMO. There is still a lot of hard work to do - years of hard work - and that includes sharing and developing ideas, gathering support, making compromises, etc. when moving forward. After all, HIVE is democratic!
Well I disagree that Hive is democratic. Technocratic is my view. The ones who play directly with the code essentially rule. Witnesses (20) are like the Royal Family in a sense. The HDF like the central bank that honours certain 'corporations.' the rest... "pay your taxes peasants."
I liked what your said in another comment though, that the voting should be all equal. So that certain things would really get honest governance and everyone feel and be part of the system. Yes investors should get their greater returns, that's naturally how money works but the big issue is that those who aren't able to put a stack in, which (is the overwhelming majority) are really just nobodies.
They are THE VALUE though (as communities, which we all agree) but then they aren't rewarded accordingly. Exploited actually. Yet some, like Venezuelans, literally have no other option so I think even if they see it, they aren't going to make noise about it. There is some good progress in changing that though so maybe the acidboy will rise as a champion of the people.
Because as is, I see it as not just hurting them people committed to communities (in short and long run) but also hurting the system. Because I'm sure I'm not the only one that sees it. So if others see it to then many investors would not proceed to back this Blockchain if they come to realise that there's "secret deals" that actually are how things work here. Or that only certain people matter. Ethics is actually becoming a prominent factor in the regular corporate world so it will also play a large role in these emerging digital systems.
Imo, Hive (even steemit) could have long ago made global impact by taking real notice and care of the "poor people" that it was attracting as far back as 2017. Yet it (the "upper" class) just saw those people as "they're not bringing money so ignore them as they chase pennies" and there was even hateful retribution to those that didn't know too well that asking to be followed for instance is considered spamming. Themarkymark even gets off on them existing on his 'bad people I punish list' and is cold hearted when they ask for some leniency. He has kids too so I wonder who he really is as a person, as a dad etc.. anyway that's almost a personal attack but I see that guy as somewhat of a sociopath.
Overall, I'm no one here in regards to position. I speak the truth though. This thing of Hive, of inner circles, and selective success is why I personally never put money in and why I believe many walked away too. So in the future, that might be why it never grows. Even if it's guaranteed years yet of existence there might not be the mass onboarding or investor attraction that so many hope for and run cumbersome initiatives for. A good system shouldn't even need to be pimped so hard.
SMT might always be the 'Spiritu Santos' that never eventuated. The coming of Christ that never happened. Maybe blocktrades is Jesus? He's obviously making good money from this but he seems very passionate about it too and has hinted that there's much that he believes could be done with it. So who knows!
Anyway regardless, this is one of the most interesting blockchains to watch. It's on the brink of either that much needed expansion or it's in another demise. The fascinating thing is then that, it all depends on who you talk to and what it is that they value to see what perspective is accurate.
Do you have a hand in dapplr not getting much support from the inner circle here that essentially has influence over the HDF?
My suspicious are just that (suspicions), but it seems since you're in with the cool kids that no one significant gave dapplr much support (despite the wider community all agreeing it's an awesome app delivering results). The suspicioun is that because you are essentially the original mobile app that giving dapplr support would push you into the shadows. Not saying your app isn't good just that I suspect politics and 'mates preference' ruled over quality development.
My personal suspicion is based on the above and then seen that you removed the requirement for beneficiary in your app's latest updates. Which I see as your realising that if dapplr doesn't ask for beneficiary, then they (community) would naturally be the first choice by most users.
I believe there is hidden agendas here in general that makes this Hive thing not really about advancement of system but more about advancement of certain people that have remained part of the inner circle. That which some refer to as the "circle jerkers".
Not that there's anything "wrong" with that, people are free to play the game as they wish (and seek monetary gains in ways the system grants) but then the deception is that the public (wider community) and potential investors are not aware of the honest truth that there's a very selective process in play behind the scenes.
Very nice post and positive thoughts. I will tend to agree with you. Nevertheless the witnesses and most of the funding goes to an oligarch circle where other groups have not a lot to say...
We have seen it with the recent drama...
But overall we fair better than other blockchain a and if people want it to change. Well they can buy more HIVE and vote 🗳 to change the top faces right 😉?
You can also talk to them, and reason with them, to change minds, or just find common ground, don't you think? Or build support with people we already agree with, right? In other words, we can politic effectively, right? Or wrong?
But overall you end up to find people like you and you build a community (such as HODL and dozen others) and everybody helps each other’s as well as create good content ! So I am very happy 😃 to be here
That works from a blogging and social interaction point of view, but we still have to govern the whole of HIVE ...
!ENGAGE 50
By bringing community together you “farm” (as it is a popular world at the moment) HIVE faster than the long term HODLers as you post a lot and these long term users have to sometimes get out of circle-jerk voting 😉. The issue is the selling pressure from users in emerging economies who need the USD and sell.
I like communities. I think community building is fantastic, but I guess the point I was trying to make was that it shouldn't be at the expense of the larger community. We have to take care of both.
Indeed ! I believe communities could be like a state / city level infrastructure where Hivers interact on a daily basis and then we gather to elect representatives (witnesses) for the country’s (blockchain) decisions
Thanks for the Engage tokens ! I do not even know about that one 😂. I need to check it out ! So many new things happening
ENGAGEtokens.I have been and I know other people bullied by some of these top accounts for really weird reasons. Many of us experiences this and a lot of us had to leave because of it.
You have to okay by their rules and if you don’t: “full downvoted 😉”.
But some are also very nice humans 😂.
But that funding or top witness spot? Forget it, it is “reserved”. Look at how @dapplr had so much trouble (and few upvotes) to get funding whereas it was the best dapp needing it. At the same time some “top” friends get 10x more for doing Idk what...
Weird.
I guess it's best to stay focused on concepts and ideas, and never get personal or judgemental.
That @dapplr example is clear as day though.
Clearly @ecency said NOPE! I'M THE ONLY MOBILE APP that gets to suck off 'da crew' for some nectar.
That's why all that you say about "Hive is great now" does make a good point (albeit celebrating steemit demise) but means little to the majority of users that continue to be meaningless here.
It boils down to "BUY YOUR POSITION or STFU... or don't STFU, because no one hears you anyway."
Or I guess your suggestion is "BEG to the right people, or lick ass is your last option."
Anyway COMMUNITIES is the gem still but it feels like they just exist as little community gardens by the city limits. The more the INNER CITY benefits the more pollution in the system and then those gardens suffer and struggle to grow.
I guess it all really comes down to time frame and how much each individual is willing to put into it. HIVE is great now in-so-far as foundations for long term success go. Without those foundations, there would be little to work for. That being said, I do not mean to imply that everything is great - only the foundation is great IMO. There is still a lot of hard work to do - years of hard work - and that includes sharing and developing ideas, gathering support, making compromises, etc. when moving forward. After all, HIVE is democratic!
Well I disagree that Hive is democratic. Technocratic is my view. The ones who play directly with the code essentially rule. Witnesses (20) are like the Royal Family in a sense. The HDF like the central bank that honours certain 'corporations.' the rest... "pay your taxes peasants."
I liked what your said in another comment though, that the voting should be all equal. So that certain things would really get honest governance and everyone feel and be part of the system. Yes investors should get their greater returns, that's naturally how money works but the big issue is that those who aren't able to put a stack in, which (is the overwhelming majority) are really just nobodies.
They are THE VALUE though (as communities, which we all agree) but then they aren't rewarded accordingly. Exploited actually. Yet some, like Venezuelans, literally have no other option so I think even if they see it, they aren't going to make noise about it. There is some good progress in changing that though so maybe the acidboy will rise as a champion of the people.
Because as is, I see it as not just hurting them people committed to communities (in short and long run) but also hurting the system. Because I'm sure I'm not the only one that sees it. So if others see it to then many investors would not proceed to back this Blockchain if they come to realise that there's "secret deals" that actually are how things work here. Or that only certain people matter. Ethics is actually becoming a prominent factor in the regular corporate world so it will also play a large role in these emerging digital systems.
Imo, Hive (even steemit) could have long ago made global impact by taking real notice and care of the "poor people" that it was attracting as far back as 2017. Yet it (the "upper" class) just saw those people as "they're not bringing money so ignore them as they chase pennies" and there was even hateful retribution to those that didn't know too well that asking to be followed for instance is considered spamming. Themarkymark even gets off on them existing on his 'bad people I punish list' and is cold hearted when they ask for some leniency. He has kids too so I wonder who he really is as a person, as a dad etc.. anyway that's almost a personal attack but I see that guy as somewhat of a sociopath.
Overall, I'm no one here in regards to position. I speak the truth though. This thing of Hive, of inner circles, and selective success is why I personally never put money in and why I believe many walked away too. So in the future, that might be why it never grows. Even if it's guaranteed years yet of existence there might not be the mass onboarding or investor attraction that so many hope for and run cumbersome initiatives for. A good system shouldn't even need to be pimped so hard.
SMT might always be the 'Spiritu Santos' that never eventuated. The coming of Christ that never happened. Maybe blocktrades is Jesus? He's obviously making good money from this but he seems very passionate about it too and has hinted that there's much that he believes could be done with it. So who knows!
Anyway regardless, this is one of the most interesting blockchains to watch. It's on the brink of either that much needed expansion or it's in another demise. The fascinating thing is then that, it all depends on who you talk to and what it is that they value to see what perspective is accurate.
Sorry couldn't understand the context we are being mentioned here, would you mind elaborating? Thanks!
Do you have a hand in dapplr not getting much support from the inner circle here that essentially has influence over the HDF?
My suspicious are just that (suspicions), but it seems since you're in with the cool kids that no one significant gave dapplr much support (despite the wider community all agreeing it's an awesome app delivering results). The suspicioun is that because you are essentially the original mobile app that giving dapplr support would push you into the shadows. Not saying your app isn't good just that I suspect politics and 'mates preference' ruled over quality development.
My personal suspicion is based on the above and then seen that you removed the requirement for beneficiary in your app's latest updates. Which I see as your realising that if dapplr doesn't ask for beneficiary, then they (community) would naturally be the first choice by most users.
I believe there is hidden agendas here in general that makes this Hive thing not really about advancement of system but more about advancement of certain people that have remained part of the inner circle. That which some refer to as the "circle jerkers".
Not that there's anything "wrong" with that, people are free to play the game as they wish (and seek monetary gains in ways the system grants) but then the deception is that the public (wider community) and potential investors are not aware of the honest truth that there's a very selective process in play behind the scenes.