Please excuse the slight headache that is the abrupt camera movement towards the end (and maybe don't watch it if you get motion sick easily ^_^;), I only half-arsed fixed a lot of things after changing the framerate from 24 to 60. There are so many things I need to fix. Including I forgot to turn the arm socks collection back on (I could have sworn I had) but I'm not rerendering this just for that, so you can instead see why she usually wears arm socks. And just not bothering with the hair collisions after a while because this was supposed to be a thing to work out clothes rigging. If this was an actual thing I would have obsessed over it a lot longer.
<video> tags or do html5 video embedsI'm calling this one a "success" because only one pants leg flew off instead of both, and mostly because I had things up pretty high (subd level 3 and 35 quality steps on both the overall thing and collisions). On the bright side it looked pretty and did clothy things when it flew off x_x Lower settings would work with normal people and in normal situations because I use Zara to break things (she can move pretty quick, jumps around a lot and is very bendy). So basiucally I can now do cloth sim (to some value of doing) so that's what I'm going to be using for things that flow. For tighter clothes such as the croptop and the forgotten arm socks, shrinkwrap and mesh deformer modifiers seem to work (and may require some shapekey assistance). Mission accomplished.
Unfortunately you can't see the lovely folds the pants made because she's not still in the right positions for long enough and the pants are dark coloured.
Also apparently the collision object was clipping the render mesh a lot more than I thought it was. In an actual anim I would have made sure there was proper coverage or just used the render mesh as a collider which is entirely doable as that's what I was doing originally, just exquisitely slow when your meshes are like
The cloth sim appears to have issues with pointy areas. I did find one topic on Blender Stack Exchange where someone was having issues with the cloth mesh they were dropping onto a pyramid bypassing the top point of the pyramid which is how I figured that was probably the issue I was having here. This was the first problem area I encountered and the mesh was only able to recover with the subdivision settings at 3.
Prior to that, this pants legs would clip the knee and then eventually through the entire leg and merrily go flapping around. I was able to partially mitigate complete breakaway by very loosely pinning the ankles and letting it have the weight maps from the armature (like the waistband which is pinned at full strength and has armature weights) but at the lower subdivision and regardless of quality steps, they would still come undone.
At this point everything kept falling apart.
I think the major issues here were a very rapid drop into the crouch and the legs were clipping themselves (we'll just ignore the fact I didn't do any shape correction whatsoever because this is all about the pants XD) and the poor cloth just could not even. The leg that straightened into the leg sweep was able to recover (the pants went back on) but the one supporting the leg sweep must have stayed bent and clipped too long as the cloth then billowed around it and once it was through that was it.
It did a very good job being clothy in its partially attached state but not quite the look I was after.
The clothing items have been appended into their own files for theoretically easy linkage later (further experimentation required to see what I can get away with as far as objects and texture maps go).
And now I'm onto fixing Red's sculpt mesh in Blender (too heavy for Blender but too many problems in 3dC so picking the less annoying option) before sending it back to 3dC for retopo (again) and hopefully the normal map will be better as there won't be the random breakages 3dC is doing.
I'm starting to think the linux version of 3dC is never going to be updated again and that perhaps it's not worth the effort as I might be the only person using it (statistically unlikely but anyway). It's lagging a way behind the Mac and Windows versions. At this stage I'm only going to be using it for retopo and painting as I've broken sculpts way too many times now and if I get similar glitches in Blender (I'll work that out when I start a character sculpt in Blender rather than using 3dC imported sculpt meshes like this one is) I can at least fix them.
Relief to be moving again!
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I am so impressed with your unique talents @ryivhnn It all looks so complicated to me.
Aww thanks :D my talents aren't that unique, there's a lot of people that can do this stuff a lot better, I just blunder along doing and learning as best I can XD it can be pretty complicated but all complicated things are made up of lots of simpler things :)
I think this is blender! You do a great job! Go on and never give up you have my support!
Yep this is Blender :) Thanks :D
The sculpture seems to be a breath of fresh air from the clipping problems XD I'm curious about how he'll look in the final (before rigging) model.
Also, maybe you should try ZBrush if sculpting in 3DC and Blender isn't your cup of default cube.
I really don't like technical issues XD and actually quite enjoy sculpting (even just fixing stuff is more enjoyable than technical issues XD) so it was very much a YAY moment :D
I got 3dC over ZBrush because I had no way to try out ZBrush at the time. They didn't offer a trial version, just Sculptris (the only thing Sculptris and ZBrush have in common is the dynatopo), and kept insisting that if you weren't happy they'd refund the money. I didn't have the money to lose at the time (still don't but really didn't back then) so I wasn't risking that when all I wanted was to see how well it was going to fit into my workflow XD Now I only look at it when someone else is using it but am not really feeling the need to get it.
Blender is fine, the sculpting is now more magical than 3dC's. One of the major issues I was having with 3dC was getting a smooth surface (for some reason the smooth didn't really make it smooth, these shallow ridges would always appear in places). 3dC's remesh is pretty great, whenever I hit a problem spot, 3dC would sometimes bubble it (so I would have non-manifolds on the mesh, or if it broke away then I'd have a bubble of disconnected mesh still affecting the appearance of the mesh I was working on which matters when you're trying to bake normals). Blender remesh is seriously impressive right now. I have it on along with dynatopo as pretty much the entire sculpt mesh needs work.
However where 3dC still outshines Blender by a long way is the ability to handle millions of polys effortlessly and then a much heavier mesh before my cpus start complaining. With Blender it's already complaining (which is one reason why I'm remeshing as I go as it's redducing the polycount while keeping the shape but honestly I'd have it on anwyay), and that's so far my only complaint with sculpting. I may find more as I go.
On the bright side if the mesh breaks I can actually fix it (that could get a bit hairy in 3dC mostly because I could not understand the repair toold).
Haha... possessed pants! That sounds hilarious! After watching the video, it looks like a tricky thing to do... however, I was expecting something a bit more explosive with the pants falling off!
Unfortunately I didn't render out the version where the pants did explode off. What happened was I hadn't pinned them at the waist and they were still weighted to the armature (because knowing nothing about cloth sim at the time and just playing around I'd literally just plopped it on and run it to see what would happen) so it got angry and spiked up at the beginning, and then when she started moving they eventually worked themselves off, writhed in an angry ball next to her for a while and then launched at the camera XD
If I'd known to bake it at the time I would have done so and then rendered it out to laugh at later but I didn't know I could have baked at any point and when I tried to rerun it, it didn't do it again.
But you can laugh at this early version which while not explosive is still amusing xD
LOL! That was hilarious!
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