A good friend of mine got rotten advice from a lawyer about CPS/MCFD a couple of years ago.
I used to have Leah (not her real name) over for coffee at least once a week while our children played together. In the spring of 2014, her toddler son had slipped on her freshly mopped kitchen floor, landing in the splits position face down, which resulted in a really unusual leg break. They had to travel into big city Children's Hospital to get a specialist capable of making the right type of cast for his leg. The cast went over both legs and around his hips and down to his knee.
Social Workers showed up at the hospital to investigate.
They were asking some odd questions. Finally Leah confronted them
--- "JUST WHAT DO YOU THINK I COULD HAVE DONE TO MY SON?" --
The Social Worker's answer sent chills through her and made her feel ill.
The woman put her hands in front of her as if holding an object (a child's leg) and simultaneously twisted a hand one way while the other hand twisted the opposite way with a good, strong jerk.
They thought that she had maliciously and with intent broken her boy's leg with her own hands!
Finally Leah got some good news from the doctor. A body scan with a specialized x-ray machine clearly showed that this was NOT A CASE OF ABUSE.
It was an accident pure and simple.
So my friend finally got to come home to our small town with her child.
But it was not all over.
Now the local Social Workers showed up at her home.
The investigation should have ended at the hospital. Leah did not want to let them in, so she phoned a lawyer first and asked what she should do.
The HORRIBLE advice that she got from the lawyer was to go ahead and let them in. Cooperate she was told! He said that If you don't cooperate it will make you look guilty! So she ended up letting them into her home. WHAT A HUGE MISTAKE that she would live to regret!!
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They had no accusations against her. It turned out that the only issue they pursued at first was that she was under a lot of stress and they were going to help her.
Of course their investigation added MASSIVE amounts of extra stress into her life. Fortunately she listened to some of my warnings as I shared with her what I had already learned from my friend, Anna.
I warned her that they would be fishing for something -- ANYTHING -- that they could use against her. As the investigation unfolded it proved to be very true.
{** I will be writing more about Leah's case in a follow-up post. **}
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Now let's consider -- What would an informed and experienced Lawyer have told her?
An experienced CPS Defense/Family Lawyer in Houston, Texas named Julie Ketterman, has this to say:
You must find an attorney who has experience in fighting CPS, as soon as you realize your family is being investigated. Notice I said experience in fighting CPS.
Many attorneys- if not most – believe their role is to find out what CPS wants and make sure their clients do it.
That way often leads to disaster – and the loss of your children.
In other words, MOST LAWYERS have no idea how to best protect you from CPS!
Another thing to consider is that if a Family Lawyer represents CPS in court cases, he will probably not want to make huge waves with them when he also represents parents.
Feel free to speculate in the comment section below why you think many lawyers don't give out proper counsel that will best protect a client's interest in these types of cases. Lawyers seem to fight for a criminal's rights much harder and smarter than they will fight for an innocent parent's rights!
Lawyer, Julie Ketterman goes on to advice:
Never let any government agent in your home unless he or she has a warrant or order issued by a court.
Ask to see the warrant or order, because the CPS worker may lie and say she has one when she doesn’t. When she doesn’t have one, politely but firmly tell her that she will have to stay outside until she gets one.
If she claims it’s an emergency, make her tell you what it is. Call her bluff – if it were a true emergency, she would be there with armed police officers, forcing her way in. Do not even open the door to let her look at the children.
There is no compromise on this. There is no exception.
If you invite an investigator into your home, you have waived your fourth amendment protection.
And if the investigator is intent on taking your children,SHE WILL FIND SOMETHING IN YOUR HOME TO JUSTIFY IT.
Understand that you may be threatened. You may be lied to. She may tell you that the 4th amendment doesn’ t apply to CPS investigation. That is a lie. She may tell you that she doesn’ t need a warrant. That is a lie. She may tell you that she’ll return with police officers. And she will. But that changes nothing. Even a man with a gun on your porch doesn’t change the fact that she still has no right to enter your home.
The best way to avoid trouble with CPS is to know and protect your rights right from the beginning.
PLEASE DO NOT THROW AWAY YOUR RIGHTS by cooperating when there is no court order telling you that you must cooperate.
If the Social Worker actually had enough evidence to remove your child, they would show up with a Court Order in the first place. If not, they want access to your home and private interviews with your children so that they can fish for evidence to use against you. DO NOT GIVE THEM AMMUNITION.
If they do have a court order, read it carefully because it may state that it is only for one specific purpose like to inspect the inside of the house. Do not let them talk to your children if that is not listed on the Court Order.
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I will leave you with one last important bit of advice from the experienced CPS lawyer.
DO NOT TALK.
More specifically, do not try to explain what may or may not have happened.
It is important that you not talk to anyone but your attorney.
It is natural that innocent parents who have nothing to hide want to explain everything so that a reasonable person can see there’s no problem here. But CPS agents are not reasonable.
You are presumed guilty. The investigator is there to find evidence to support what she already believes to be true – that you abused your child
Please use your words sparingly when dealing with Child Protective Services. Do not volunteer any more information than is absolutely necessary.
Let's keep our children and families safe!
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TOGETHER LET'S STOP LEGAL KIDNAPPING
Don't open your door for an agent of the state either. Keep the door closed, and talk to them through a nearby window if you must say anything at all. You never know what they may see or say they saw to justify further injustice.
I recommend people have entrance cameras for their own protection too. It isn't just to stop people from stealing packages from your porch. No, they are also there to document any interactions you have with people that come to your door.
They will be recording you. Make sure you're recording them! When in a government court too, the court will naturally side with the agent of the court when it is a he said / she said situation. Use an entrance type security camera to always have proof.
thank-you for this good advice.
I do have a security system with a camera at the front door and I can speak to them over the device in my kitchen or over my cel phone app. But that only records for half a minute before it turns off.
I must go shopping for a better system that could record long conversations at the door camera.
Thanks for sharing this post
Here in Nigeria security cameras are highly costly and it's hard for a middle class to buy but I agree with you that its the best,but if the door is locked and you don't allow a stranger in,or you speak to them trough the window it will protect in a little way here in Nigeria @canadian-coconut
Good advice. My step daughters case has gone further than this already because she didn't use a lawyer. Now she lives in a house provided by the private care company and has to allow them in for 3 hours each day>
It's patently obvious that they are going to protect their income first and my step daughter second! They are already doing it..We have just switched to the private care company model.
THE WORKING CLASS COMMUNITY HAVE BEEN MADE A COMMODITY EVEN IN THIS AREA IN UK
You are very correct @riffian someone must be security conscious
Of all of your fantastic posts, this has to be the best one yet in regards to stating what people should and should not do when dealing with these legal kidnappers. My husband always says when you have to explain a complex topic, do it in a way where both a child and a grandmother will understand it- gifted teachers do this. Well, you have proved yourself a gifted teacher! And I only hope this finds its way to every 'student' (victim) in need of it. Truly, the points you've made cannot be stressed enough.
We just talked about @familyprotection on @r0nd0n's show @freezepeach.
@fracasgrimm and @intuitivejakob are featuring @familyprotection on their shows on @msp-waves.
The shift of consciousness is starting - thank you for bringing all these cases to light, Linda, Mark!
We sure are! We will be discussing what @familyprotection is all about and helping to raise awareness of the importance of this cause!
Look forward to doing this and so happy to know all this support is being channeled like this!
You’re an incredibly important beacon of light on this subject Linda.
I’m sure there are many who have read the disturbing stories you have recounted over the past few months and taken solace in the fact that the are not alone, you will have woken many up to the horrific injustices being perpetrated by an insipid agency purporting to have the best interests of the families and children involved which lets face it clearly isn't the case.
Kudos to you and Mark for the relentless, on-going work you’re doing to get this message out and help those being targeted.
Resteemed.
This is pretty good information you posted our here. I want to thank you for bringing my awareness about this because I didn't knew that something like this is happening to some people. Although I still don't have any child yet but the information you said here will be retain to my mind and probably remember it when I needed it. Great article @canadian-coconut
After reading in this aricle by @canadian-coconut my think and your @hiroyamagishi too speak good information and good idea so i vote it
Hi Linda :)
You hit the nail on the head with your post.
Your right about Lawyers, they don't want to rock the boat with CPS because of their careers. they care more about themselves then clients. sorry to say.
Knowing your RIGHTS is a must for Everyone!
Never converse Say Nothing!
COPS always read you your Rights upon arrest;
Anything you say Can and Will be used against you.
Actually, that's not true. They don't bother to do that anymore. It's too much of a bother. When I got arrested for allegedly kidnapping my daughter I asked to have my rights read. I was basically laughed at. When Quinn Eaker @quinneaker was arrested last week from our home @gardenofeden they didn't read him his rights. They are too lazy.
The truth is that the truth is irrelevant and they just say and do whatever.
Thank you for helping keep people informed on what is going on. I wanted to add onto this statement you made.
Any parents who are currently the target of a fishing expedition, please know that if your child is in the public school system, this private interview will take place at school. At daycare as well, if you use one. When my son was a child just such an interview took place at the daycare. Luckily there was nothing to find, but I can assure you the types of questions he was asked at his age planted questions in his head no child should be pondering on.
My understanding is that, in all cases (not just CPS cases), attorneys are contracted through the BAR into the corporate jurisdiction and can only deal with corporations. If they violate this they can have their license revoked, be arrested on the spot, etc. This means they are subject to all color-of-law rules (statutes, regulations, executive orders, all victimless laws without a valid contract, etc). Now as we all know the game is rigged so, for example, they are able to suppress evidence and restrict access to a jury trial. This is only true for "color-of-law" cases where there is a valid contract to give up rights (which may include but not limited to constitutional rights).
SO: They can't deal with "men" and "women" .. Your constitutional rights depend on you acting like a man or woman. You can't contract with an attorney without giving up those rights. End of story.
David Straight goes into great detail to explain this. This involves a success CPS story too. If you want to win your CPS cases, I recommend seriously studying this route. This is clearly the way to go in my opinion.
David Straight with Guests David Jose and Jamie Cobat teaching real Law! Share!
David may not say it, but the core concepts are international. If your not in the USA I recommend to still watch it. You'll start getting the big picture and, if your like me, hours of study will seem like minutes and you'll find you just can't get enough. You can get the concept of jurisdiction and you'll likely find people practicing this in your country.
Thank you so much for providing these solutions Linda. Every parent needs to read this and have this information firm in their minds, I'll be sharing all over the place.
So important that everyone learns this one:
I certainly did not know this - there is so much we don't learn, as a society about the laws of our land.
Child Protection Services are supposed to be there to provide some measure of help but unfortunately the reverse tends to be the case. The constitute a pain in the butt and mounts an unbearable amount of pressure on parents and add an extra burden to parenthood. This is not right. It is not right for a parent to go through the stress of conceiving and maintaining the pregnancy not to make mention of the pain of labour just to have the child seized by a stranger under the umbrella of protection. This is even more heartbreaking when the parent didn't do anything wrong. This menace can be curbed if parents know their rights and patronize the RIGHT lawyers.
I chose to use the term RIGHT LAWYERS here because most lawyers are on the side of the CPS for selfish interest
God bless you for this post @canadian-coconut
In Europe, the parents do not have the rights of which you speak. It is like they are child-bearing slaves for the state. See what happened to baby Alfie.
The CPS is a manifestion of the Illuminati.
it is obvious
Thank you for referencing this video. I've appended to it at https://steemit.com/familyprotection/@taliakerch/kids-belong-to-the-coutnry-not-to-the-parents-6bf57bc7d3445#@tonyamme/re-taliakerch-re-tonyamme-re-tonyamme-re-taliakerch-kids-belong-to-the-coutnry-not-to-the-parents-6bf57bc7d3445-20180729t155334373z
This is a growing problem in the US and Canada. NaturalNews.com have been covering this issue for awhile.
https://www.naturalnews.com/SearchResults.asp?query=cps&pr=NN#
Join NaturalNews in fighting this growing problem.
What a sick idea! How many parents willfully injure their children, like breaking a bone?
As for the lawyers, I guess they' re part of the system, too, and they need to protect it!
sad how it goes; So many Cogs In the Wheel ............
Thank you @canadian-coconut for sharing this story with us as well as some very helpful advice on choosing a lawyer. I really like the card you shared about our 4th and 5th Amendment Rights. I’m actually going to print that out and keep it with me.
It really sucks that your friend got that bad advice from her lawyer. It’s like once they are in it’s hard to reverse it and they are forever in your life. That social worker was very bold and blunt to suggest something like that...it’s just terribly sad. I sure hope and pray that if we ever need a lawyer to defend us against the CPS we will find one available that “knows” how to fight against them and that is not afraid to do so.
fantastic post!
CPS agents are relentless. they play on your fears and manipulate, intimidate and threaten...very sad.
AND in cahoots with lawyers/law enforcement.
stand up for yourself peacefully and articulately.
educate yourself and keep it simple.
Well I can tell you that the lawyer I had in Holland had no experience whatsoever (I found out when we went to court that he was totally useless) and he told us to collect more evidence and work it out for him.. we worked on this for days in a row, while we were about to lose the house weeks after this court date...
And we send it all to him as he asked us to, to find out the next day in court, that he told us: Sorry had no time left..
So we were focussing on him getting all these documents, working on it for days, very stressful because we had more things to take care of.. all for nothing.
He acted like it did not matter anyway.. and when I was telling him more and more about the case, he clearly had no clue what to do with such a complicated case as ours..
Therefore I decided not even trying to go to the European Court for Human Rights with everything I am collecting and documenting (but now in English) before I am absolutely sure I have everything sorted out, typed out, and I have found a lawyer that is known to be a good one.
This time I am sure it will not be a lawyer that is cheap, certainly because we live somewhere else now, and probably we have to pay full amount.. But there is time, and I will use Steemit by that time to cover this..
But first let's get through the months of down payments for the rent and deposit and hopefully sort the passport thing out..
One thing I will advice anyone if it comes to these cases, is don't make the mistake I did (I thought when you have all the evidence it will be clear for the judge not understanding the money behind these placings of children yet) and make sure you really get the lawyer that did cases like yours before...
Good that you made this post! :) Very helpful I think!
YES!!! I had to learn this lesson the hard way. I was too accommidating. I too thought that if I refused to cooperate, then it would just make me look guilty. CPS also claimed to me that they just "wanted to help". I too let the investigators into my home. BIG MISTAKE! To repeat, DO NOT VOLUNTEER ANY INFORMATION! KNOW YOUR RIGHTS!!! (Where can I get one of those cards?)
~Jane
I've read quite a few of these posts and every time I'm left feeling very angry or saddened by how innocent parents are caught up into these situations. Now this whole subject is a rabbit hole unto itself but what about actually attaining the birth certificates of the children and becoming "Nationals" instead of "Citizens"? This is another rabbit hole in itself but as I understand it they would have absolutely no ownership over one who has done this. Have you ever heard of this? In essence when you signed the birth cert. at the hospital when your child was born you signed them over to the state and they are no longer yours. Attaining that birth cert. gives them back to you is how I understand it. People think this is nuts and maybe it is but if you want to look further into for yourself start with Santos Bonacci on YT.
yes, some people have talked about that in posts already. A person has to really understand the law and their rights though before they do it, because it can actually make you more of a target if you do not approach everything with a LOT of knowledge about what you are doing and handle things the right way.
I personally support the @familyprotection project and I just posted for my support and invited the World community to support @familyprotection, if you do not mind to visit my bloq, for my support
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Thanks for this @canadian-coconut
I used to work for a family law lawyer and you're right, some are better than others. I will add to your advice on attorneys. Find one with a history of fighting & winning against CPS. Someone who can fight, but never wins is worse than one who doesn't do anything at all because the let down when they lose is much worse.
Invaluable advice here @canadian-coconut .. I tell you, these parents can sleep easier at night knowing they have you as a friend .. as can all parents who in the darkest of times find the shining beacon of light that is #familyprotection ... "innocent until proven guilty", whilst everyone's eyes were focused elsewhere that concept seems to have been quitely assigned to the dustbin of history! :( Great work and great advice as always .. thank you for caring!!
It is a good idea
I real sorry for your friend Leah, it really does bring to light the desperate acts that the CPS resort to though. Thank you so much for sharing all this information with us, it is really good to have this all at hand, I can only imagine how difficult it would be to deal with CPS on the spot, but you have included everyone thing here to help one feel empowered in there actions of not engaging, Thank you @canadian-coconut, this is what it is all about, getting the information out there.
I ran across this graphic researching Q. I cannot verify that any of it is accurate, as it's from a place I have only visited, but it is chilling indeed. 88% of runaway children trafficked are stated to have been in the care of Social Services.
I hope parents do protect their kids from predators, and particularly those using the state as a means of acquiring their prey.
Thanks for your tireless and effective work to help people keep their kids safe!
So true! I think this information is something EVERYONE should know! People assume Child Protective Services have the CHILD's best interest at heart. Most parents, (myself included), would want to cooperate, would want to explain, because we have done nothing wrong and feel like doing so would help our case, not harm it.
CPS has really evolved into a monster. Thanks for spreading awareness.
Great tips! I would have definitely been a parent who tried to explain a situation. If we ever are in a sticky situation, I will now know to keep whatever I say to a minimum. Thanks for continuing to share this information. -Aimee
I love what you are doing to raise awareness about the corruption in social services around the world.
It gives me greater faith in humanity to know that there are kind souls in this world who are willing to stand up for others and give them the voice they need. ❤
Thank you for supporting my posts also. Your upvote really means a lot to me.
@canadian-coconut
Are you familiar with the Private Attorney General provision that the Congress included in RICO legislation (as well as other pieces of legislation)? Do you think there is sufficient evidence that criminal racketeering could be proven against many or at least one particular CPS agency?
If so the PAG provision may be worth exploring-- you don't have to be an attorney to sue under PAG nor do you have had to have suffered loses directly- you are suing on behalf of the public.
I am currently suing the DHS pro se- once I wrap this lawsuit up I may very well sue to end corruption under the PAG of RICO or other legislation. States also have PAG provisions in their laws to encourage good folks to step up and sue when a public AG won't for whatever reason.
I don't know much about it, partly because it's an American legistlation and I'm in Canada.
You could write about it though, and tell us about your lawsuit against DHS.
I was assaulted and tased by a Federal Protective Services Officer in DC during the 2014 Million Mask March (Anonymous) Demonstration in DC. I had witnessed a vehicle/pedestrian hit and run that was intentional- i tried to present the officer my business card as a witness- he saw I had pepper spray in my vest and demanded I surrender it. I refused repeatedly- ended up tasing an arresting me- their big problem is that my pepper spray was 100% legal- I suspect they'll settle with me- in Discovery process now. All is going well-US Attorney and judge so far seem reasonable. Having fun.
Hi. I'm @shayne. You gave me a generous upvote today on my post about elite pedophilia and how it's used as a system of control.
I wanted to reach out and say that I appreciate what you're doing here and I wish you the most success.
Have a great weekend. :D
This has been in my backlog to get to. WOW. You broke this down! Resteeming this. See, I knew there was some sort of legal shift the second you let them in. I knew there was. Now, I know what it is. Thank you so much for this. If I could resteem it twice, I would!!!
I love how hearing this from a an experienced lawyer on these things makes you feel: empowered.
And it's true: If it were a true emergency, they would already have a court order in their hands. Period.
I was surprised at what really happened, well done the information
Great post from you
Thanks for sharing
I just found this article. I wish I would have seen it earlier. This is very good information. I am a teacher and there are times when CPS becomes involved with the children in our class. There can be such a fine line between perception and reality when it comes to what is happening with children at home. I feel as though you need to be very careful when it comes to allegations and statements about the treatment of a child. I have heard cases where a teacher heard something from a student and based on that information immediately got CPS involved. It turned out that the claims were exaggerated and ultimately unfounded but the horror that those parents must have gone through dealing with this must have been excruciating.
The safety of our children has to be first and foremost but at the same time, there needs to be some validation of what is happening before accusations are thrown out there. Once they have been made then no matter what there will always be the perception by some people that will never change. Also, once you are on CPS's radar then you could have continued issues in the future.
Like I said, it is a very fine line.
You are doing such important wonderful work! Thank you so much for helping spread awareness! Sending you all my support and love! Also I wanted you say thank you for taking the time to read and support my posts! You are a truly incredible and special person!
some lawyers are just there for the money, especially when it is free, at least like that it is in Belgium and Holland. My brother is a lawyer, and we talked about it, that some people are really lucky they got him and not someone else who was on duty that day. As a lawyer you always first have to point on their rights, after that their duty, only then you know what you can and have to, and how to do it. Filming is indeed a good thing when you get questioned. Intersting that this is everywhere the same on this earth.
It is truly horrendous how these institutions allegedly created to "protect" citizens and children in particular... do anything but. It just all reads like a particularly twisted horror story... and yet, it's very real.
Thank you for all the effort and research you put into creating and sharing this information with people!
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good riddance! This is horrible. An honest mishap was twisted to put the blame on the mom! While reading made my blood boil.
This should be made into a movie as an awareness to all that the system in which you hope to help you will be the one who will make a person or a family's life like a living hell.
Hi....Linda?
Berniesanders just took $4.00 (most) of what I had earned from your upvotes away for each of my major posts in @familyprotection over the past week. Any chance you could give me some advice? He has cost me at least $25 just now altogether, plus over .1 rep score. I have been advised to ignore him, and will do so, but if he continues to do this to me, I am not sure what I will do.
Thanks, AGAIN, for all you do!
P.S. the good folks @informationwar have already done what they could...
Hey @canadian-coconut - just wanted to give you a great big warm hug for all your support xxx
This is thinkable theory
Like seriously what do they gain from maliciously destroying homes.I wouldn't be surprised if they CPS plant damning evidence against their victims.
In many cases the FAMILY is not a priority, the STATE is. Children are allowed to stay with parents as guardians as long as they are raised in the nurture and the admonition of the state. The State reciently allowed two children to die in England who had medical issues even though the parents wanted to take care of the children. They STATE Ruled that the Doctors MUST terminate the children regardless of the parents wishes. THEY Children in question would be of no benifit to the state only a liability . one children was born normal and was subjected BY THE STATE to Full Vaccinations before contracting his life threatening illnesses. The Country of Italy Even granted the one child citizenship and offered to transport him to italy for full medical care... BUT THE STATE said it was in the best interest of the child to simply DIE..
I'M SORRY I just do not trust them
This is New World Order Agenda is to place the priority of the STATE before the people or family.
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This is a very important topic that you reveal in your post! When people get into a difficult situation, they need help, because stress prevents them from thinking the right way! I will wait for your story to continue, friend @canadian-coconut!
sounds like you are interested in all the right stuff
tell me though where do coconuts grow in canada definitely not in ontario lmao have a great day CC
i forgot to add someone should kidnap CPSs children and i bet they would really cut back on their kidnapping the dirty morally vacant people that they are
This is shocking, but true. We have the number to HSLDA right by the front door. They are the only ones that I know will help with HOMESCHOOL related CPS investigations. Outside of homeschool issues? I'd have to ask around. Might be better to be prepared now, rather than later. We always assume there will never be a later. @ironshield
Wow, people are nuts!
Congratulation @linda excelent curation