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A week ago, the CDC finally updated its mask guidelines for the 'vaccinated' to reflect the alleged efficacy of the experimental COVID 'vaccines', saying that the 'fully vaccinated' "can resume activities without wearing a mask or physically distancing," except where government mandates or private business policies still apply. Many in the establishment right, such as KY Senator Rand Paul and Fox News talk show host Tucker Carlson, have long argued that if the 'vaccine' is truly effective, then there is no reason to demand that the fully vaccinated continue wearing a mask, and this is a good point indeed, although it ignores the exceedingly flawed nature of the entire mainstream narrative underlying all of these ever-changing measures. Even just the fact that the CDC took over four months to update their guidelines to align with the 'science' saying the 'vaccine' works is testament to the truly non-scientific nature of this entire technocratic Covid1984 agenda, and the absurdity that ensues.
And while many are understandably relieved and some truly ecstatic about this step back towards 'normalcy', this move has some really big far-reaching implications that all those who cherish freedom (and truth) will no doubt find absolutely disturbing. First, the guidelines were not truly updated to reflect the science as is being claimed, because the 'science' declared the 'vaccines' extremely effective all the way back when the FDA authorized the first injections for emergency use last December, but rather as a motivational reward meant to encourage 'vaccine' uptake in response to the increasingly widespread 'vaccine hesitancy'. Indeed, even the CDC update still recommends masks for the vaccinated, the media messaging is clearly still pushing masking among the vaccinated, and the headline of a Forbes piece published immediately following the update questions whether it is still "too early to say fully vaccinated don't need face masks."
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The message is clear: those who are sick of the masks and the tyrannical insanity are now 'allowed' to take them off if they just stick out their arm and take the jab, while those who are firmly in the Covid Cult are encouraged to continue the ritualistic muzzling so as not to encourage premature mask-free behavior among the non-vaccinated.
That the CDC update was primarily issued as a means to pressure the otherwise unwilling members of society to take the experimental injection in direct response to a sharp drop in rate of vaccination across the country can be clearly seen in the above-mentioned Forbes piece, which openly states that a main reason for the change in guidelines is to combat 'vaccine hesitancy' among those who are on the fence. Although some folks are in the "never gonna get it crowd," some of the "vaccine hesitant" folks "may just need a little more incentive" than "over 200 free Crispy Creme doughnuts," Bruce Lee explains. "So perhaps the ability to drop other precautions could provide more incentive."
As the likes of Bill Gates and his merry band of 'vaccine'-pushing technocrats has already been saying for months now, things will never go back to normal until people get vaccinated, and now the social engineers are publicly revealing their plan to hold all those who refuse to subject themselves to one of the unapproved experimental injections hostage. Get the jab, or wear a mask for the rest of your life, is the clear message accompanying the new CDC guidelines. "The new rule is simple," Biden announced last Thursday: "get vaccinated or wear a mask until you do."
Natural immunity in the millions of Americans who have previously fallen ill and recovered from the so-called virus is strangely now absent from the equation. Why naturally acquired immunity is suddenly irrelevant is blatantly obvious for anyone who simply looks at the reasoning behind its mysterious disappearance from the equation. The medical establishment and modern virology has recognized naturally acquired immunity in people who have been exposed to an infectious disease as a viable defense against viruses for over a century, and even in the first days of the 'vaccine' rollout just a few months ago, the 'experts' were still speaking about 'herd immunity' being reached with a combination of newly vaccinated people and previously sick ones who have developed immunity. But now natural immunity is suddenly entirely irrelevant as a factor when it comes to the 'return to normal'. Only those who get the experimental injection will be 'allowed' to return to normal, only those who take the jab will be accepted back into the new technocratic Covid1984 society, and natural immunity is suddenly no longer recognized.
Israel's 'green pass' digital vaccine passport program, hailed as 'the model for the world', didn't accept naturally acquired immunity as condition for receiving the passport to re-entering normal life in society, demonstrating that the so-called 'immunity passports' along with the entire push for vaccination in fact have nothing to do with immunity and everything to do with getting experimental injections into as many arms as possible, whether those be people who are already immune to the 'virus' or not. This reality could not be more obvious in the US as the return to [the new] normal officially begins, not only seen in the president's extreme stance, but also in the college vaccination mandates that are now being implemented by some 170 universities or more.
At least 2.4 million college students now face a vaccine mandate, as a condition to return to school next fall, an Epoch Times investigation found, and interestingly, the Epoch Times "review of notices from 130 universities shows schools don't accept acquired immunity as exemption from mandate."
The outlet's investigation into the reasoning behind such seemingly non-scientific approach to the mandates reveals the absurdity of the latest 'vaccine' 'science' responsible for the disappearance of natural immunity from the equation. Unsurprisingly, most of the schools contacted were unable or unwilling to provide more information on why they were refusing to issue exemptions for those with acquired immunity, however, "The few that responded pointed to guidance by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC), which advises people to still be vaccinated because “experts do not yet know how long you are protected from getting sick again after recovering from COVID-19.”
Interestingly, the 'experts' also openly admit they do not yet know how long you are protected from 'Covid19' after getting vaccinated, however the manufacturers of both mRNA injections (Pfizer and Moderna) are already developing booster shots because the alleged protections drops with time. And yet they are not advising people to stick with the natural immunity that they already have, despite the 'vaccine' potentially offering an even shorter duration of 'protection', with overwhelming evidence also suggesting an increased risk of severe illness and death following injection, not to mention the risk of all sorts of adverse events.
The other reason not to recognize natural immunity, we are told, is because of a rare chance of reinfection in those who have recovered. “Even if members of our university community have already recovered from COVID-19, it is possible—although rare—that they could again be infected with the virus that causes COVID-19," Daniel Telles, assistant director of media relations at the University of San Diego, told The Epoch Times in an email. So all students, even those with naturally acquired immunity, will be required to get the unapproved experimental injections, despite the widely recognized phenomenon, although rare, of 'breakthrough cases' - cases of the fully vaccinated falling ill with 'Covid19'. So here again we can see that the very reason given to ignore natural immunity in favor of the 'vaccine', also applies equally to the 'vaccine' itself, according to the mainstream official establishment narrative, but in none of these cases is the same argument being made against the 'vaccine', despite the subject of debate not being whether to risk illness in order to acquire natural immunity but rather whether to recognize the protection of natural immunity that is already acquired!
Clearly the refusal to recognize natural immunity has nothing to do with the potential downfalls of it, for these exact same potential downfalls apply equally to the 'vaccines' that are being virulently pushed on absolutely everyone, even those who are already immune. This is insanity, and there is really only one possible logical reason behind such insane reasoning: the 'vaccines' make a lot of big pharma executives an immense profit and global vaccination with this particular experimental injections is for some reason(s) a key component to a pre-planned [technocratic] agenda.
Even more mind-boggling is a CDC statement explaining the logic, referenced by Fort Lewis College, "one of the few schools that spoke on the record about their approach to students with infection-conferred immunity," which said that "the risk of severe illness and death from COVID-19 far outweighs any benefits of natural immunity." If you can make sense of that statement, please let me know, because as written it really does seem to be quite an unintelligible jumble of nonsense. After racking my brain for several minutes I concluded it was not written to make sense, but rather to be used by those pushing the 'vaccine' on those who blindly trust whatever the CDC and Dr. Fauci says.
The nonsensical statement comes from the CDC page, "Answering Patients Questions About COVID-19 Vaccine and Vaccination," in the "Natural immunity versus vaccine immunity" section, and the context doesn't make this unintelligible mess of a statement any more intelligible.
Getting COVID-19 may offer some natural protection, known as immunity. Current evidence suggests that reinfection with the virus that causes COVID-19 is uncommon in the 90 days after initial infection. However, experts don’t know for sure how long this protection lasts, and the risk of severe illness and death from COVID-19 far outweighs any benefits of natural immunity.
Interestingly, in this very same document the CDC also clearly states that: "Because some people with COVID-19 can have very mild symptoms, some may see natural infection as preferable to receiving the COVID-19 vaccine. Some people may be concerned that getting a COVID-19 vaccine could make them sicker if they do get COVID-19." And they are talking about those who haven't had natural infection yet, which becomes far more 'preferable' as a means of acquiring immunity when the immunity is already acquired!
According to an NIH-funded study led by Dr. Anthony Fauci and published in late March, the immune system cells in people with acquired immunity “could recognize virtually all mutations in the variants studied” and “should offer protection against emerging variants," and the vast majority of doctors agree that natural immunity offers at least as good, if not far better protection against the 'virus' than the 'vaccine' ever will. That's why until recently, even the vaccine-pushers were saying that 'herd immunity' would be reached with a combination of naturally acquired and vaccine-induced immunity.
“Naturally acquired immunity is superior to anything this vaccine could deliver. So, any students who have been through infection and COVID-19 should be exempt from vaccination,” H.C. Tenenbaum, professor of laboratory medicine and pathobiology at the University of Toronto, told The Epoch Times.
You can read the rest of the quotes saying much the same in different words at the Epoch Times piece here, but suffice it to say, the new 'vaccine' 'science' that discounts natural immunity as irrelevant for the sole purpose of getting more experimental shots in arms is not accepted by the medical community at large.
For now, the updated CDC guidelines have prompted some states and many businesses to begin removing mask requirements, at least for those who are vaccinated, and for not most are not checking for proof of vaccination. But that will soon change, as many employers, schools, and airlines all begin both mandating the 'vaccines' and requiring proof of vaccination for service, with no exemptions being offered for those who have acquired immunity. Digital vaccine passports will follow, and if enough of us do not resist this madness, it won't be long before de-facto mandatory vaccination has arrived, with all of those refusing the injection pushed further and further to the outskirts of society until the day they can no longer function in society at all - immune or not - without taking the injection and having the Covid1984 digital 'papers' in order. Already the 'experts' over at CNN are bemoaning the failure of the new CDC guidelines to tie mask-free life with proof of vaccination, describing the newly instituted guidelines as a deeply flawed 'honor system' giving those dirty non-vaccinated anti-maskers license to go around mask-free without getting the jab (as if they weren't already doing exactly that...)
At the very same time, absurdly extravagant rewards are being offered to bribe the otherwise 'vaccine hesitant' to join the human experiment and take their unapproved experimental injections, as Derick Broze recently documented so well.
From doughnuts to burgers, and from lotteries to massive payouts, the bribes and the pressure continues to mount as the establishment reaches new levels of desperation in its insane bid to get the new jabs into the arms of every man, woman, and child living on this earth in the face of extreme hesitancy among a majority of the population.
The rejection of natural immunity and new CDC guidelines are clearly just the latest pieces of Covid1984 'vaccine' propaganda on the long, slow march towards mandatory vaccination, as we inch ever closer to that dystopian technocratic future of total medical tyranny by the day. All those who still can't see the writing on the wall at this point must simply be blind.
Apparently I am part of a downvote trail that promises to only downvote garbage, and I don't think this post should have been targeted, so I am going to remove my authority from curangel. I wonder how many other apologies I owe.
Seeing this all over place
Downvoting of posts wrongly
I'm off the curangel trail.
Yes, it's getting out of hand, and not just this account but a number of others. Downvotes are being used to punish users espousing certain [politically incorrect / dissenting] views and opinions that others don't like, no matter how well sourced and written the posts may be. There are even some on the blockchain pushing for the 'normalization' of downvotes to encourage more widespread downvoting. If it keeps going in that direction, it will turn this place into a trash bin and drive all the creative users away, leaving only the boring whales behind...
It does seem like curangel is pro vax, and I want no part of that.
A men 🙌
I was about to come on here and ask why you have SO many downvotes. It's looking like censorship to me, similar to shadowbanning on facebook which is one of the reasons I started posting here. It's such a shame it's happening because one of the big reasons to move to places like this is to avoid censorship. Good to hear how it's being done and that this guy has jumped ship. He has some morals. How do we deal with this problem? I already had it happen to me but not on this scale, this is crazy! I don't agree with you views here but that's just because my research has gone deeper so feel you are on the right track and still learning. If I was to comment I would have been saying what @erh.germany said above. Keep it up. Don't let the bastards grind you down.
I wrote comments to the first ~ 10 downvoters, pointing out how their votes are being used. So I hope there will be repercussions.
One problem though: Half of those accouts haven't been active in months....
Curangel also does daily posts in which there is a lot of praise in the comments; maybe also a place to point out this weird censorship.
If you do go there and try that let us know what happens. I'd be interested.
just got an interesting explanation there...
https://peakd.com/life/@lemony-cricket/re-captainklaus-qtolk6
Thanks for the credit.
Thanks, I appreciate it, and I wonder how many others on that trail are inadvertently downvoting work they don't wish to be...
I think it's risky to trust people with accounts who promise to downvote others. If oneself finds "garbage" and feels the need to downvote it (though I find there are other forms to communicate) one has it under control and can debate with the involved but sooner or later, when people get mandated through others to play the police, they may abuse these given mandates. It's a shame. I know the person behind this trail and had my clashes with him.
So, your decision is appreciated to remove your given authority.
Thanks for taking the time to put this together! Great work
Hey you hear or like the No Agenda Show? Check out latest episode as I think you’d dig it
https://www.noagendashow.net/listen/1349
It’s also on iTunes and most podcast catch apps
Never heard of it, but I'll definitely check it out, thanks so much for sharing!
Anyone who wants to know the truth about what is going on in the world of virology and so-called 'immunity' better read up on what Lanka is doing. A maverick in science he is challenging the official narrative like no-one else. https://projekt-immanuel.de/en/entry-the-virus-mutation/
Thank you for the link, great information there! Dr. Michael Yeadon has also called the 'variants' "sameiants" due to their near identical DNA structure, saying the idea that acquired immunity from one would not provide immunity to these 'variants' is patently absurd.
What boggles my mind is how they can be supposedly identifying variants based upon DNA structure when they have yet to isolate the 'virus' to begin with and thus are basing all of their study upon computer-generated genome sequence. The levels of deception are many, and the only thing we may ever know with certainty is that those orchestrating the madness are lying to us on a grand scale.
YES exactly. YOU get it. It is mind boggling until you know about the secret clan running everything and see they've been working up to this for a loooong time. They have exposed themselves big time with this. Desperation or miscalculation? We'll see.
Well said. Jason definitely gets it, and so do you!
I think it says a lot about what the government thinks of its population when they offer free donuts, beer, and fries as an incentive to get a shot. Isn't obesity the number one cause of overall health problems around the world?
And isn't obesity one of the pre-existing conditions for serious Covid (and vaccine) complications?
I remember reading that78% of all covid hospitalizations were overweight or obese. I don't know if it was this article, but it seems to be the case
https://www.cnbc.com/2021/03/08/covid-cdc-study-finds-roughly-78percent-of-people-hospitalized-were-overweight-or-obese.html
Give em donuts and beer! That'll sort em out.
It sure will!
Then top it off with a dessert-on-a-stick and a couple vacation days to sit at home and watch CNN.
One (I guess planned) side effect of this: The 'dangerous, dissenting' non vaxxed will be easy to spot, as they will have to wear masks. This is going to be the stigmatisation like the yellow star of David.
I am sure this will be the narrative in Austria, when fall comes and 'numbers' go 'up' again. It might be a hostile winter.
Very possible, however at the same time those who shun the vaccine are seemingly more likely to ignore the mask mandates anyway and take advantage of the inability (for now until stricter enforcement is rolled out anyway) of businesses to magically know who has and has not had the jab... I never wore the mask apart from a few isolated instances despite mandates and business requirements, and never will, so it's very interesting now indeed, as I see more and more unmasked, wondering if this is all the vaxxed, or those just taking advantage of the societal re-acceptance of life without masks. I also wonder if some of those with masks still on may well also be the die hard covid cultists who feel like they must keep their masks on until vaccination uptake reaches near 100% (which will, imo, never happen). Very interesting times indeed, and I suspect you are right about this gonna be a hostile winter coming up.
Take care, and stay free out there!
Are you really comparing people wearing masks to avoid a virus to people being forced to wear badges that identify them as Jews while being rounded up, shipped to concentration camps, and murdered by the thousands?
These are not at all similar things. As a member of a group hunted in the holocaust please try and reconnect with reality.
It’s not about people wearing masks to avoid a virus, but to avoid an experimental injection. That’s the point, that this could be the mark of those whose refusing the vaccine, and it is similar because already the ‘vaccine hesitant’ are being demonized, threatened, and made into 2nd class citizens.
I'm not going to ask you in what way you think people who hold an opinion are being made into second class citizens. Mostly because they are not.
The idea that the people who are hesitant to take the multiple vaccines out there (also not going to touch why you keep talking about this like there is one vaccine) are being marked by them wearing masks also does not make even a basic ammout of sense.
I just moved across the country and have not get got any vaccine. I have not been mistreated in any way because of this. I have worn a mask the entire time I was in public for 9+ months. Does this "mark" me as an anti-vaxxer? To who? Who is keeping track of that.
You are paranoid. Nothing mjore and nothing less. Trying to frame yourself as a victim here just doesn't land and makes you look dishonest.
I'm not a victim, I'm not wearing a mask now and I haven't this whole time, but for those who follow the guidelines and mandates, there are many places requiring that the unvaxxed wear a mask while those taking the new vaccines are 'allowed' to take their masks off. (I refer to it in singular to distinguish from other vaccines out there such as polio, MMR, etc. which are not required to go maskless, knowing there are 3 available COVID injections in the US)
Yes, people opting out of the experimental vaccine program are being made into second class citizens, they are being told to continue living under the medical tyranny (masks, distancing, etc.) while the rest are encouraged to go back to normal, they will not be allowed in many universities, they will not be allowed to travel, some will not be employed or will lose their jobs, and this pressure will only continue to increase as it already has. I am not paranoid, these are simply the facts, and those driving this agenda have made it abundantly clear that if they get their wish, normal life in society will be dependent upon taking the new vaccine(s). It's already happening in Israel, it's beginning to take place here now too. There are already jobs I can't get without the vaccine, airlines announcing they will require vaccine passport for travel by the end of the year, that's not me being paranoid or framing myself as a victim, just the simple reality of the situation these days.
Maybe you have not been mistreated yet, neither have I, although I have been mistreated for opting out of wearing mask a few times. When they begin to demand proof of vaccination for college, for employment, for travel, for sports games and what not, please tell me then you're not being mistreated. That reality is only a matter of time if we don't turn this technocratic agenda around.
You say you arn't a victim and then talk about how you are being mistreated.
You say you arnt paranoid and then lay out a paragraph of worries.
The problem here is that you think being asked to wear a mask in a business is you being mistreated.
It's discrimination to deny basic services to those opting out of medical interventions they do not wish to receive, as both masking and vaccines are. If people want to deny me opportunity to work a job or to do business somewhere because I won't take the jab (or wear mask), that's up to them, I don't feel victimized by it, I just take my business elsewhere. But it's still a reality, and if this spreads, I don't think it is good when many people will be denied many services simply for refusing to take an experimental injection. Speaking out about this agenda and voicing concerns based upon the very open plans of the people driving this agenda is not paranoia, it's journalism. And someone may be mistreated and choose not to see themselves as a victim, as I have done whenever I feel someone has mistreated me (not just in regards to covid measures)...
Looking at Austria, I am pretty sure autumn is going to see a rise in numbers of infections, no matter if they are real or just based on unreliable test results. I can see a scenario being set up in which the non-vaccinated will be blamed for that. As a consequence there might be stronger enforcement and heavy fines for non vaccinated people not wearing masks. At that point, they will be easily spotted, as the mask will be the mark. More easy then to point fingers at them.
Now imagine this scenario further down the road; the star of David also didn't appear all of a sudden, but slowly found its way into 'acceptance' during the Nazi times.
In this scenario I can also recognize that it must not necessarily be an ethnic group that is being discriminated, but the ones who signal dissent to a dubious vaccination.
Now give it another few years, and maybe you get the picture I am talking about...
I do not hope that it will go this way, but Austria (and Germany) seem to move towards reconnecting with their history in a most dubious way.
(disclaimer: To all my knowledge the C19 is not a dangerous threat to humanity. If you take a look at the history of pandemics, it is close to nothing. And what threat is left can be handled, if done wisely and not populisticly.
But I do see the politisized full-force reactions to it as a threat, and not necessary.)
@m3ss,
based on your own experience, can you speak up if you are one of those who abide by all the rules? As long as you wear a mask in public, you won't get into trouble anywhere, neither in the supermarket nor at work. As long as you test yourself or get tested, you will be left unmolested. That is a fact that you have just confirmed.
Since you do not have your own experience of discrimination, abuse, dismissal and having your reputation destroyed if you abide by all the rules, how are you even going to judge that those who think the rules are pointless and damaging are faring?
To suggest that these people are paranoid is moving away from a factual discussion.
I lost my business partners as a freelancer, first because of my mask exemption and next because I didn't want to test myself "voluntarily". Do you want to tell such people that one has unjustified fear of persecution?
I was snapped at by two aggressive young men because I wasn't wearing my mask. They didn't care that there is such a thing as exemptions from it.
Now the question is, who is a victim, apparently? I would say: all of us. The fact that the victims of this regime are fighting each other is not only bad, but unwise.
But you can't see a dictatorship coming if you abide by (unjust) laws. Then you feel nothing of the fact that your freedom is taken away, because you don't have to suffer any consequences. You will only notice the deprivation of freedom when you dare to break rules.
My question to you is: Why do you think you abide by the rules? Is it because you fear a virus? Can it also be that you indeed are informed about what people are facing in not working by the book? At least, allow yourself to answer this question.
Those are decisions you made that had repercussions. This is not the same thing a persecution.
You are telling me that I do not see the dictatorship coming because I follow all the rules at all times. You are just really off the base there and making a lot of assumptions. There is no dictatorship, the is the empire. Comparing being asked to wear a mask, not wearing one because its not required, and having people judge you for it is not oppression, its society. This makes as much sense as presenting yourself as a victim of oppression and descrimination because your area has seatbelt laws and you dont like that. It's straight up childish.
Seatbelt laws are a form of tyranny and oppression wherever they are enforced with fines, as they punish people who have not initiated force or threatened force against another. Initiation of force against peaceful people is both unjust and tyrannical. Whether you see seatbelts as good or bad does nothing to change the fact that seatbelt laws authorize the state, which has a monopoly on force via armed men in guns and badges, to extract money from peaceful people who have not initiated force or threatened to use force upon another. That is called harassment and theft if done by any other human, but if done by the state it is somehow deemed 'moral' and 'just' (although it is not, it is only legal, and laws, such as in the case of Nazi Germany as one example, were used to exterminate populations and carry out genocides in the most extreme of cases).
Now granted, seatbelt laws are a far cry from genocide, but the principle remains the same, once the state has the power to punish those who have not harmed or threatened to harm another, they have embarked upon the path of tyranny which can in extreme cases lead to all sorts of vile evil, from imprisoning dissidents to ethnic cleansing and so much more.
I don't know what country you live in. In my country, the state of emergency has been declared by law, and with it the inviolability of the home, the free choice of profession, the regimentation of how many people I am allowed to meet with, has been formulated as a law by the government and has already been amended twice. You don't think that arresting people who demonstrate in public, chasing young people who hug outside by police, is questionable or dangerous?
I'm not assuming anything about you, I was referring to the fact that you said you didn't get into any trouble, which suggests that you abide by the rules? Is that not so? Then please correct that.
My government talks quite bluntly about vaccinated people "getting their basic rights back", while unvaccinated people are not given such a prospect. I don't know what you think that is? I think it is an encroachment on the freedom of the individual, a "society" as you portray it here is abstract and to compare it to compulsory seatbelt use I interpret as mockery.
My government's use of language alone, to say that it can "give" or "take away" fundamental rights, is a paradox. For fundamental rights cannot be handed out like sweets by any government. Otherwise they would not be fundamental rights.
The amount of information you provide in the publication is very complete. Everything is very good, especially appointments to important health organizations.
There are certain points of great relevance also, why the immunity due to acquisition of the disease is not counted as collective immunity for the eradication of the disease is due to various studies where they studied the plasma of patients who recently acquired the disease where not all developed antibodies against the disease, some developed minimal amounts, others in good amounts. This results, as a good example of the first case of reinfection of the disease, a patient who traveled from Hong Kong to Europe acquired the disease only two months after the first disease.
Vaccination tries to control that. Besides the immunity by acquisition of the disease only gives immunity against the acquired strain. Vaccination tries to be effective against the greatest number of strains so that when free flights open it does not become a disaster.
Vaccination is necessary even when it looks experimental, all vaccines were experimental at some point and if this stage is not passed we will never be able to reach evolution.
The coronavirus is a scientific challenge, the need to vaccinate animals that live with man is even being analyzed since mild infections have been detected in cats and dogs, and even severe infections in mink. Therefore, human vaccination alone does not ensure the eradication of the disease since its coexistence with various species gives the probability of the existence of mutations and wild viruses that are not controlled with current vaccines. Non-vaccination further increases this probability due to the increase in susceptible people.
Vaccination is necessary for the eradication of the disease, as was the case with smallpox, the first disease eradicated in the world through vaccination.
Greetings, very good post.
Beer!
In-depth information from many sources--well done. !BEER
Thank you, glad you appreciated the work, just hoping that together we can all stop this mad march to global tyranny before it's too late...
They gaslight you about being healthy and taking care of the health of your community and then shove a donut in your mouth. This is exactly why I don't take these vaccines seriously. It's all about control and manipulating the public, its not about your health or the health of your community.
Absolutely, if it was really about eliminating public health threats, then they could ban cigarettes and liquor, but they don't, and ironically in many places liquor stores were among the 'essential' businesses to remain open while churches, clothing stores, and thrift stores were deemed 'nonessential' and closed.
This is the stuff that Hive is made of. Discussion and questions and answers. Not downvotes for God's sake.
I appreciate coming to a post like this and taking the time to read it in its entirety. Thank you!
Once you take away the premise that viruses exist, radically don't think of them as proven but keep them out of the whole thing, then you can ask yourself how the picture is different. Even the concept of "immunity" then changes mentally. Where does this word come from in the first place? In what context does one think of it from the mind? If you think of diplomatic immunity, for example, you know that this is a better position for people who are able to disregard all the applicable rules, right? And immunity in the sense of a virus theory, is that very different from an abstract entity?
That which researchers have looked at in their petri dishes over the centuries, was their gaze directed at something they looked at completely unencumbered and open-ended? Hardly. No human being is capable of that. Depending on the degree of vanity or one's own world view, those who did look at the Petri dishes had a mindset like looking at a battlefield: In front of them the map with the geographical data and the kingdoms and on it the soldiers. Those who believe they can recognise something in dying cells that is being "attacked" by warlike and invisible actors (at the time of the emergence of the virus theory, there were no electron microscopes yet) must have done as in physics: Things that could not be explained were given an unexplained name, such as "dark matter" or "anti-matter"; in this case it was "viruses".
To come up with the idea of putting secretions taken from the body or blood on a petri dish as "the same" as what happens inside the living human body is questionable to me anyway. But then to treat this blood or secretions with all kinds of substances and chemicals and then come to the "ingenious" conclusion that the death of the cells could have something to do with other actors that you cannot even observe (see), that shows a truly blooming imagination.
I assume that if you put living cells in a petri dish and just leave them there between two platelets, that these cells would die after a certain time. Because they are deprived of their living environment, there is no oxygen etc. in which these cells could continue to live. What the researchers have seen in already destroyed cell material is the waste of normal "waste disposal" of already dead cells and not the warlike killer process that has been so metaphorically effectively staged.
The few sources that exist on this subject, however, have it all their own way. Uncomfortable questions are being asked. But the establishment is too big to fail, as they say. As always in history, it will all be more or less swept under the carpet until other issues are allowed to come back into focus, because any scandalous potential will wear itself out in the long run and people will get tired of being afraid, because in reality there is nothing to be afraid of. At least not of viruses or bacteria. I have come to this conclusion through reading niche publications and the valuable advice of so-called nutters. I love listening to nutters, by the way.
Here is a link with an interview, where it's better formulated what I have said above:
https://whatreallymakesyouill.com/discussion-with-amandha-vollmer-about-the-real-causes-of-illness/
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It makes you wonder how such a term made it into biology, doesn't it? I think it's a term of art, just like diplomatic or political immunity is something created because you want it to be.
There is no such thing as immunity as far as I am concerned. You can't immunise yourself, politically, medically or otherwise. It is a seductive thought, nothing more.
What are your thoughts on that?
Excellent comment, and I agree the evidence for germ theory is flimsy, and those advancing the theory of viruses as cause of disease know much less about cause of disease then they assume, even if the theory itself has some degree of truth to it.
The more I research the matter, the more convinced I am, however, that germ theory is seriously flawed, if not outright incorrect. I probably have yet to do enough research to voice a strong theory on the matter, although I am certain that regardless of whatever physical causes of illness may be (whether germs as put forth in germ theory, toxins as terrain theory and even modern medical establishment admits to some degree, or the body turning against itself as with cancer or stress hormones causing disease), the ultimate cause and solution to all disease lies in the mind. Even physical causes of disease only actual cause disease in those with some degree of poor health and I would argue a mental state inviting to the disease development.
I like your idea of immunity being an illusion, it makes sense, but I will also continue to write within the framework modern medical consensus at times to show how, even within their own ‘rules’, ‘Covid19’ is a massive fraudulent deception. I think whether one is protected from disease by ‘immunity’ or healthy body/mind, good health is the important factor in either case. One builds strong immune system, according to the accepted medical paradigm, with good health. Good health also keeps your body from turning on itself (stress/anxiety-induced disease, cancer, etc.).
In my view of life, all physical existence is but a projection of the mind (ultimately a divine mind), as I believe that all the physical world we see is but a reflection of that which lies within us. Medical studies have also shown over and over the power of the mind to both heal and create disease in the body. So whether or not viruses cause disease, modern Rockefeller Medicine focusing on external things as the root causes of disease is inherently flawed, germ theory is the foundation of this modern medical paradigm (and thus highly suspect for that reason).
Where they see disease primarily caused by things in the external world warring against us, I see disease primarily caused by imbalance within ourselves (an inner battle). Ultimately, love is the strongest healing energy and fear the root cause of most dis-ease.
But there is still strong evidence that things outside us, like toxins, do cause, or at least contribute to the conditions leading to disease.
If you don’t believe immunity exists, I wonder what you think about the ‘immune system’ and how that idea relates to your idea of how the body stays healthy. And what do you see the flu as, if not caused by a virus? (I understand there is no solid evidence of human to human transmission but also understand that people get sick with flu symptoms, indeed I have myself...)
Sorry for the delay in responding to your thought provoking question, I’ve been busy the past couple weeks. Hope things are going well for you in Germany, here things appear more ‘normal’ as the vaccinated no longer need masks according to the rulers, and no one is checking for proof of vaccination (yet).
I was about to post a comment about this myself but you've done it all for me and very eloquently. Great comment.
Thanks. Appreciated. :)
Re the ridiculous downvoting on ur post, this is what's going on on FB which I really don't see a very big difference with what's going on here. It all seems to be tied to the mention of vaccines too I'd say. Maybe we need to have a look at the people running this drive to censor posts questioning vaccines. Veritas have an FB whistleblower talking about what they're doing there.
Youtube censors as well. I wonder why people don't use the alternative portals if they spread something like the internal FB policy. I've been consistently shocked for a year how there can be this mass acceptance of a story that has so many inconsistencies. In the end, I can only explain it psychologically. Perhaps with the Jungian approach of the shadow that each of us has, the dark side of the soul that one does not want to admit to oneself and to see oneself as exclusively good and kind and not wanting to see that one has one's own scary traits that need to be reflected.
This ostracism of critics and their voices, their publications, their points of view, all this frightens me and I think that these fears are far greater among the alleged supporters of the measures and that they probably intuitively felt right at the beginning that great powers would oppose them here and therefore they bowed under them right at the beginning without even attempting to behave disobediently. They are probably people who perhaps never or only very rarely had the experience of not giving up straight away, but of taking up a cause that seems hopeless despite adverse circumstances. I had few of these experiences, but the few I had gave me courage and a sense of purpose in my approaches. How have you fared? Have you had similar experiences?
I'm one of the stubbernest people I know LOL. I've always pushed back. I've always spoken my mind too and when I get silenced I just shout louder. but thats me. I will not give up, ever.
Good to hear. Stubbornness can be quite annoying, yet one needs it to protect ones skin.
at least here are no algorithms searching for vaxxxxxx
It is actually curangels curation trail that is 'abused' by curangel.
Oh really? Well that's a bit Bi-polar of psycho behavior isn't it?
This is very very bad. People follow that trail because they trust curangel, and in the end they abuse their own downvotes without even knowing it...
Should I unfollow curangel? I think they curated my 1st post.
No, don't unfollow them. I hope the main curator will be aware of possible biases, I mentioned it to him...
Maybe do not join their curation trail if you do not want your downvote to be used without you knowing it.
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BEER.Natural immunity does not exist for novel viruses.
In case you missed it, there are several studies finding natural immunity in those who have recovered from COVID, even the CDC admits there’s now naturally acquired immunity among the population. People develop immunity by being exposed to novel viruses, and since this has been with us for over a year, it is no longer new and much of the population is now immune, they say.
That is simply not true. The presence of antibodies is not the same thing as immunity from covid.
As a novel virus is constantly mutating, that is what the novel part means. The reason immunity is not possible, especially from exposure, is because the virus you will need to fight in 6 months does not even exist right now.
Quite a few medical professionals and scientists with far more expertise than myself dispute the notion that the so-called variants have any degree of variance that would render the presently developed antibodies defenseless against them. Since the virus has never been isolated and proven to exist, debating variants seems rather unimportant as they can't positively identify variants until they positively identify the original novel virus. But assuming there is a new coronavirus we're dealing with here, it doesn't seem that influenza is considered a novel virus despite new strains arising every year, correct? Why the difference here, then?
Anyway, more importantly, if what you say is correct, that the virus you will need to fight in 6 months doesn't exist (and that may well be the case), then the current vaccine will apparently be equally defenseless against it too, and that was the point of this article, that the very reasons being used to marginalize natural immunity equally apply to vaccines, and yet they are pushing those with natural immunity (or those with antibodies as you say) to get the vaccine. They develop new flu vaccine every year, and now they're talking about new COVID booster every 6 months or year as well. I never took flu vaccine and was always fine, I'm sure I'll also be just fine without the covid shot...
Ohhhhhhhhh, I see where you are at on this subject now. Please take your information from where you see fit, sorry if this conversation has been frustrating.
Bless you man, I hope only good things for you. I hope we can agree to disagree here! While I disagree with some of the specifics I see the energy and care you put into all of this and got respect for you man.
Thank you, and take care yourself. I am open to all possibilities and try to approach the subject without any personal theory on the subject set in stone. I acknowledge there may be a novel virus, but yes, it is frustrating to me that the powers that be have not isolated it, thus creating more confusion on the matter, as it is difficult to create a truly science-based consensus when you don't follow your own science to establish existence a new virus and prove it to be the cause of a new disease :)
I am happy to agree to disagree, and continue to look at the subject from all sides as best I can, staying open to all possibilities on the matter. I also respect your kindness on the matter and willingness to engage in debate without harsh words in the comments!
The only 'novel' thing about this virus is it doesn't exist, (that's not even novel either coz none of them do) it is an 'in silico virus' which means it is a gene sequence built by a computer. That is not a virus. It's pure fantasy.
If it does not exist, how could ANYONE who got "infected" have survived it?
survival /= immunity
What does that mean? Are you saying survival equals immunity? I don't understand you. This does not answer the question I formulated.
Here you go
Immunity is not the same thing as survival. People can survive a thing and not be at al immune to it. That is the best answer I have for your question, it's fundamentally misguided.
"People can curvive a thing and not be at al immune to it" Is your answer the representative expression to that formula?
Well, of course people can survive and not be immune to a thing. What's your point?
I was answering your original question. When I pointed out that natural immunity does not exist for novel viruses you asked how:
They were able to furvive it well without natural immunity because immunity is not required to survive a thing. I hope this breakdown has been helpful.
I'm gonnna walk away from this an I'm not here to explain this stuff to strangers on the internet and then have them be confused about why I'm answering they asked.
wow, finally you give a link, but it only goes to the google result for 'define'.
Austria tested the people from Ischgl, which was THE hotspot spring 2020. They are still immune, and their natural immunity also means immunity from variants.
Friend, the link is to the definition of the term you asked for the definition of.
There are also literally thousands of cases from all over the world of folks with antibodies from prior infection being infected with new variants. I'm also sorry you thought me calling your vaccination / autism connection bullshit was a personal attack. It was not, it was me pointing out that that link has been repeatedly disproven. I'm not going to link these thing as links seem to be tripping you up and I'm not trying to hold you hand with this.
There is even proven immunity from previous viral infections. Maybe have a look at T-cells, they are the 'memory' of the immune system.
There is something called cross-immunity. It means that if you have been exposed to a virus in the past, you can be immune to new variants of it. And many have been exposed to viruses of the corona family in the past. They are nothing new.
But, maybe I am wrong, and I woud like it if you could point me to the source of the information that immunity to novel viruses does not exist. Even though I don't think this is what @marriakjozhegp meant, but he meant immunity afetr a covid infection.