I was thinking about some of the comments I have received of late concerning content and the idea of, it isn't worth putting in the effort for so little in return, whilst most people put the same kind of content they contribute here on other platforms for no return other than hearts, stars and thumbs stuck in the unmentionables. Many sees these tokens of no value for most people as a reward, which is a fantastic deal for the companies that leverage the content for real profits. There is a saying about people wanting something for nothing, but on most content distribution platforms,
The creator gets nothing for something.
it is also interesting that without an "adequate" reward (with adequate being highly variable person to person), many people will not put their best foot forward, or even their second best. From unscientific observation of those I follow, most of those who get rewarded consistently now have also been consistent with their content over time - they get 30 dollars for similar content that they put out for 3 dollars, or 30 cents. I think that this is for three main reasons.
One: They understand that Hive is a long game and participation and work put in now will potentially have significantly more value later.
Two: They believe that in the long run, the ones who benefit the most will likely be those who have built a network and a network built on crap, is a crappy network.
Three: They have some self-respect and value the content they put it for what it is, an expression of themselves and a representation of a sliver of their own life.
It is interesting that people are "stingy" with their contributions unless they are getting paid significantly, which I believe is part of the reason they won't consistently get paid. An artist has to showcase the art to the gallery before the gallery will hang it unless they have a name, and that name is built on those pieces that have hung in galleries previously.
It is a catch-22 - people won't deliver unless they get paid, they will only get paid if they deliver.
The other thing I find curious is that we live in a world of very short-lived and disposable content as we are able to get pretty much everything on demand. People pay for Netflix so they don't have to wait, so they can binge watch the latest series and so they have a wide range of choice, most of which they will never watch, because most of it is not to their preference in genre or quality.
I would suggest that the top 10% gets most of the views and the rest, not so much. Does it mean that the rest is bad, or is it just that it didn't get into the algorithms, didn't get enough mentions on Facebook, enough positive social metrics to pull them into the content circle to boost them into the chart? Or, perhaps it isn't a Netflix original - they all get a boost.
But, Imagine if Netflix said "we aren't serving any good content until we have enough subscribers" - How do you think that would pan out for their onboarding initiative? That is essentially what a lot of content creators seem to be saying, "I am not showing you my good work, until you pay for my crap"
Good luck.
And no, it doesn't matter if you have been here for a long time and way back when some time ago beyond yonder, you added a couple of decent posts and didn't get rewarded, them the breaks. I would predict that if an actor or artist of any caliber had given up after the first rejections, they would have got nowhere in their career.
There are people who didn't get their "big break" until after decades of attempts and rejections. Even my father who was relatively well known for his art still felt that his break was coming - in the winter of his life.* At 84, it is getting pretty cold out - but it was a stroke that stopped him from painting, not disappointment through lack of recognition.
It is this never give up mentality that differentiates someone who loves what they do and someone who only sees it as a means to an end, a necessary evil. I think there are a lot of people who write posts because they must in order to get votes, not because they want to actually create the post.
For me personally, I can't wait to share what I am going to write or the images I have taken and I look forward to the creative process all the way up until I click post. Past that, there is very little I can do but wait and see if there is feedback of some kind, comments, votes or the odd reblog. And if they don't arrive, that is the way things are on the day and tomorrow will bring another opportunity.
I am lucky as I do have skills that I can leverage, but none of them are innate, I have had to practice them all, and have to keep practicing constantly to maintain them at the least, but I aim to improve them. You can't improve a skill by waiting for it to improve, it is an active process. Even if wanting to improve patience, one must practice being patient.
I don't know, maybe I am a freak for enjoying what I do enough that I am unwilling to hold back and prefer to give what i have available - but I don't think I am the only one. What is the point of going to bed at night with energy still left in the tank, what happened to the attitude of, if it is a job worth doing, it is worth doing well?
Maybe this is part of the issue as people think it isn't worth doing because that particular post isn't going to earn what they think it is worth, so they don't give their all. This means that the next post isn't likely to earn any more as the first was mediocre. It becomes a slippery slope that instills a low-quality default approach to delivery and, it shows.
Not every post is going to hit personal standards as their are variations in factors that matter, but I think there is personal value in knowing that what one does is the best they can do in the moment and to be very aware when it is not. Whether each post is valuable for everyone in the audience is irrelevant, but if contributing to a community and looking for value in return, one should at least intentionally try to add something consumable, something someone might say, "that is cool" or "that helped me" about it. It might not be the whole post, it might just be a little sliver, like this last image that I find beautiful and thought you might too.
We binge eat all parts of life now, maybe the value in being the creator is learning how much effort it must take to make some of the things that we give a cursory glance to and scroll on by, content untouched. Being a creator isn't easy as the truth is, most people just don't care - but it is done for those who do, and that should include ourselves.
Perhaps the stingy of content fear they will run out of ideas.
Taraz
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Been having fun with the macro shots? :D I particularly love the spindly flower dof one and the purple flower one (the second mostly because favourite colour).
I remember getting advised way back when to "save your best work for when you start getting recognition" or something along those lines. I don't have time to be producing separate sets of work so I just posted everything I was going to post anyway whether it was a sketchy or a more full on drawing (the progblogs came later and honestly I have no idea why some of them have been ending up in the stratosphere and while I'm really glad people apparently like them I also feel that I need a rate limiter on it XD).
I probably register your one and two subconsciously, the three is particularly relevant (the only crap I'm willing to be associated with is yeh this piece from a decade ago wasn't that great but I was learning and look I'm much better now XD) and I guess other people don't see it the same way but I feel like posting here for cents is better than posting everywhere else for nothing (except recognition I guess but as all artists know "exposure" is generally worthless XD).
I really...do not understand this mentality :O
A lot!
Who has the time for such shenanigans? I find that when I have had the "post it later" approach - I forget :D
It is strange how some things get supported and others don't - but I reckon it is because as the creator, we might not necessarily preddict well what is important to the audience, or some of the audience.
This is what makes me question how much some people have actually done in the real world :)
That's kind of silly because my the time we get recognized it won't be the best work anymore 😂 At least I hope to be improving at a constant rate.
I think the advisor th ought we could just do some little rubbish things and chuck them up while we're getting popular and I don't know about anyone else but I definitely don't have time for that XD
I suppose I do post occasional rubbish, but that's more for fun than anything else xD More likely to lose views for those anyways.
yup yup
Well my friend, you may have screwed the pooch on this post. I don't know about anybody else, but those photographs actually distracted me from carefully reading your seriously good ideas. So, about half way through I just gave up and scrolled the photos. Then I went back and read just the black bits.
I read more than I write, and that has always been the case for me. I REALLY like having a trusted group that I know will give me good content every time. I read 'outside' my list every day, but I don't add to my group very often. That says something to me.
I don't begrudge Actifit (or the former Apics)but I don't open them very often with one exception. TattooJay has figured out how to post multiple (really good) photos on the Actifit platform and he get's a look from me every time.
Jay isn't posting right now, he said he was stepping away without much reason except that it was off platform. He's an old bugger (almost as old as me) with family so it could be anything. I miss him, but he said he'd return and I believe him.
Wouldn't be the first, nor the last :D
It is funny, as I present posts in various ways and normally I have just one entry pic. A lot of people don't like the "wall of text" but those who read well, prefer it. These posts with many images I intentionally split to break the readers rhythm :D The style of the writing differs slightly also, a little more disjointed. While most might think about what they post, I believe most people don't think much about how they post.
The problem is that they nearly all look the same and 95% of people don't add anything extra of interest. @michealb used to add a nice little life story to his when he was posting them, but other than that, I would skip on through actifit posts as they just weren't worth opening.
Quite a few do come back, many need a break though. Perhaps it is a good thing to get some distance - but I wouldn't know ;)
too busy playing splinterlands at present :)
You must be getting fat ;D
ha, yeah a little.
corona virus motivated me to build a home gym, now just gotta use it. :)
I'm two weeks old on HIVE, before @uyobong got me involved, he said something that I hold on to, he said, "consistency is key".
I devote most of my time to art but at dawn, I make sure I'm here on hive, learning new ideas from other artists.
I'm learning a lot from different communities on hive.
I so love your shots. They just made my heart skip some beats
Firstly, welcome to Hive :)
Yep, consistency is definitely key and then, the willingness to do it over time as it can take a while to get some traction.
Which ones do you spend the most time in?
Which ones do you spend the most time in?OnChainArt, sketchbook, Leo Finance, PowerHouseCreatives are the ones I've discovered already. I'll still delve in and learn more about many more communities
A better way (easier to read) to quote is using
>at the start of the quoted sentence - in my opinion :)The best way to understand communities is to take part and engage with the people you find there. Have fun!
Thanks so much.
I just learnt something right now
I was more attracted to those pictures on the post, they are really beautiful.
I remember when I was telling a aunt of mine about hive, that it is like a social media which you earn for contents you share. She seem to loose interest when I said you earn from likes i.e upvote and was bothering over the fact that what if her contents does not get likes after sharing them.
Another thing is, not everybody are actually stingy with their contents, most are actually confused at times on what contents to share, me especially.
When I used to go work on IT an elevator engineer, I share activities I do want work. My content was based on what I did but since Corona outbreak I have stopped work and most of my contents are now based on some of the boring activities I do at home which oftenly doesn't get rewarded 😂😅 but I don't do it anyway since that's all I got for now.
Back to what I was saying. Yeah it's also true that most people are quite stingy with content because they didn't get rewarded on the first post, and I quite know that feeling. That's because they draw inspiration from the reward. It's always quite painful when people spent time organizing a post for the sake of the reward and not getting it, which is what kills inspiration, compared to people sharing contents for the love it.
Hive is quite similar to real world situation. Most time, the efforts people put in what they do in the real world don't always come back profiting but being patient and consistent could do the trick. Could take a while but who can actually be that patient, maybe someone who patiently continue doing what he enjoys. This is quite similar to what you stated below:
Confused in what way?
What if you share different aspects of your life? In my experience, it is good to see what people do, but it generally has to be connected to something more than that,, more than what I would get on Facebook.
It kills incentive perhaps, inspiration requires more than incentive. The word actually means to get influenced by a god, to have life breathed in. I think people confuse words a lot these days and it muddies their attitude.
That is an inspiring post!
In fact you inspired me to repost this old post!
https://peakd.com/art/@frot/postthesortofcontentonhivethatyouwanttoseeyourself-on4ajgxyx9
Thanks and good to see you kicking around here :)
Yes I'm still here, lurking at the bottom of the world
Did they come across from Papua?
I believe in putting out the best of yourself regardless of the pay. The inner desire to connect and engage and find people to whom you feel you can talk to... That is the true reward. Money is just bonus. I value the support I received here. And I always will. Money can't buy that.
If no support comes, at least we had fun in the process :)
That's for sure! 😊
The first and foremost important thing is to enjoy what you are doing. If you are creating content for the profits and not the process then yeah, short term you'll get demotivated and eventually burnout. Long term game might be a whole different story, or... it may not work out... Only time will tell.
On the other hand i constantly keep hearing "oh if i only joined YT when it launched i'd be a millionaire by now", "oh, if i have only started getting my followers on IG early i'd have a million now and make a living".
The truth is you might never be sure as an early adopter. That's where you take risks. It might work out and it may not, hence RISK = REWARD. You either take the risk or some years down the line you'd be complaining...
"Why oh why i was so inactive or did not join Hive 5 years ago, i would have paid my mortgage by now..."
Do not be those wimps and take the risk if you like creating content for the sake of it, engaging with the community whether you like it or not as it is, learn and build on it. Just do not be a whiner... grow some balls and take that RISK or just go and get the job if you have low risk tolerance. There is nothing wrong being good at something and having a good and useful job.
For sure. I don't know how you got into photography but for me, @galenkp bought me an EOS3000 (film) camera for my 18th and then I started shooting - but never really got into it heavily - it was a hobby - still is. However, if I had got in heavily, practiced trained, loved it and attempted to be a professional of some kind - there is no guarantee I would be able to live off it, nor that I would even be good at it. It is risky to go professional, but there is no harm in loving what you do (unless it is murdering people etc)
I chose a business degree at school because I didn't want to be too narrow - perhaps a silly decision considering that I could have been a narrow-skilled professional that earned a lot more :D
Man up or don't - it is a choice.
Definitely not. I actually think far too many people underrate work to the point that they don't work - yet feel they suffer because they don't have the benefits that come with working - and then blame others for their misery.
That's actually a funny one :) I wanted to invite lady to my apartment to watch a movie but she did not like movies, so i offered a photoshoot. Had terrible camera and even worse skills. Eventually i had to send her the pictures lol So i had to learn lol
Some decisions are some are not and some are meant to be, it's wonderful how chain of events might lead us somewhere nice after we make a silly decision. The best part being it is never too late to make opposite decision if you are not happy with the first one. Well, in most cases :)
Society sometimes tries to impose an impression that having a job is for losers and having a business is great. That is nothing further away from truth. You can be a shitty business man and perform brilliant in a hired position. It depends on the traits and character. It's not worth the misery of calling yourself entrepreneur if your guts can't handle the stress of uncertainty, financial instability and long working hour as being an entrepreneur definitely comes with that whole package. There is quite little of glory being a businessman actually :) Just much more hard work, and you trade that for higher upside potential that you might never reach as well.
Like you I create more for the sake of it, and the reward comes second, especially when you have built up some momentum over the months and years of regular content creation. Then it comes flowing naturally. The occasional nice rewards are inspiring, but finishing the day without a post feels incomplete now. What a great legacy we are building here.
I think that this factor is what many people miss about the consistency, it starts to flow. I am far from professional in this, but they say something along the lines of, amateurs need to be in the mood to perform well, professionals do it regardless of their mood.
I haven't felt this for a very long time - I came close once, but thankfully blockchain time is behind Finland ;D
I agree. I hope that one day my daughter will be able to read some of this.
Yes your daughter and the future descendants can read your thoughts, like your journal or the captain's starship log on the Starship Enterprise by Captain Kirk on their Star Trek lol.
This is what I am going for :)
I think it's often as simple as a shortage of attention getting prioritized by returns. The more money I make on recent posts, the more I feel obligated to put out new content even if only to earn funds I'm going to wind up donating ultimately. The less I make on recent posts, the more when I think of posting I can justify using the time for other things instead.
This brings to mind an interesting thing with the donation. For some, it is better to donate the money they will earn, rather than their time helping. People see it as avoiding the work, but it could do more good. If I earn 100€ an hour and donate that, it could for example pay for 5 workers to do the job i would do. 5 donated hours rather than the 1 I could perform... of topic i know :D
I understand the changes in thinking, but as a creator, wouldn't I create something anyway? :) Well, now I would and I don't think I will ever stop in my life again - Even without Hive.
To me it's a question of creating what and where. I have a lot of creative stuff going on. I'm creating organizations, workshops, interviews, summits and helping folks who are doing this and more be more successful with what they're doing. So I have to have a reason to step away from that creative expression to write for a different audience that isn't connected with any of that. So the amount of money I make doing it really does seem to be the deciding factor. I say that not to say I think it should/would be, but simply observing my past behavior and noting patterns.
Maybe it is a space where you can create more for yourself than others?
I have seen and read comments about why put my best out, I often wonder at those comments from people. It feels like an excuse to not try, that they are afraid of rejection.
I know I am not a professional blogger, I don't want to be, I am not a professional photographer, and I certainly am not at professional level of writing skill. I do feel however that my skills are growing and developing over time. Reward or not 30 cents or the really big one I had last week of (almost $17 due tomorrow). Like you said networks matter. My postings change from time to time, depending on what my mood is and where my current interest lay. I am happy for any size reward, they are part of the program, game, fun on Hive.
Shit post and shit network, when things heat up, they start to get real smelly. By the time someone wakes up and decide it is time for their top notch quality post, it is going to be to late for them.
I think fear of rejection is what stops a lot of people joining as they know that once there are rewards, they will be judged like any product.
Part of the use case I have for HIVE is to play the Hive game - it is better than all the crap people do reviews on.
:D
Well as long as they stay afraid, that means more chance for my post to be seen.
Some reviews are sort of okay, but I would rather see a gushing fan boy full of excitement over a shit show that they like and I know I would never like, than to have a copy cat 'Siskel and Ebert' wanna be movie critic, review of a movie that is likely a piece of garbage.
That's the spirit! :D
I will have to take your word on this one
Back in the 80's a team of movie critics on out public broadcasting system, (PBS), they were terrible in my opinion, and always way off base. If they didn't like a movie you could bet it was a really good one to watch.
Most critics are the same - out of touch with what people actually enjoy
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Ah and by the way, your photos keep on looking better and better!
Are you drinking more and more?
Aww the fluffy dandelions are adorable :D Very pretty composition.
I think they're mostly testing waters really, trying out various platforms and seeing what works. Also it's about motivation, comments can certainly be motivating as well as payouts. I know I applied for knownorigin and makersplace (no idea which is better or the differences or if I'll even get accepted)
Also posting on other social media doesn't require text to get likes xD It takes me way longer to type stuff than draw a bunch of art.
Personally I like posting almost daily here, more chill, but I know I'd probably earn more by posting a perfect post once a week.