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RE: Coronavirus Hoax and the Hunger Virus

in Deep Dives4 years ago (edited)

I don't excuse any crimes, but neither do I sugarcoat Native Americans.

Treating those people as someone who deserved what they’ve got, is mildly put indecent. It is not the matter of liking or disliking someone (or ‘sugarcoating’ as you say), it is the matter who attacked and wiped whom. Anything else is a shameful attempt of equalization of victims and murderers.

tens of millions of Native Americans died of plagues between 1500 and 1600 isn't my invention.

It isn’t your, alright, but this period correspond with the colonization of European conquerors. Not one of the lethal diseases was not known before they came. It is well documented:

Although the exact pre-colonization population-count of the Americas is unknown, scholars estimate that Indigenous populations diminished by between 80% and 90% within the first centuries of European colonization.

The fact even Wikipedia does not deny: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indigenous_peoples_of_the_Americas, and leaves many links to the atrocities made by colonizers. It was the greatest genocide in the history of mankind, and it cannot be justified by saying it has happened everywhere else:

But it's important to admit such atrocities were SOP globally at the time, including London, Paris, Kiev, and Moscow, as everywhere else,

In essence, you are saying: “Well, yes, American indigenous people were wiped out, but British did the same thing with Aborigines in Australia”. How does that sound? Not a justification at all?

…and also undertaken by Native American peoples themselves, both against colonists and their generational enemies in their homelands.

What would you do if someone comes to steal your land kill your people? You wouldn’t defend yourself? Wouldn’t you reciprocate the crimes of conquerors?

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When you can respond to what I did say, and not what you think I meant in your head, you'll make sense. You twisted everything I did say to fit your agenda. You can just have that conversation with yourself. You don't need to interject a pretense you're responding to anything I said.

What I did say was that the victims of genocide have not protected themselves, and they have no one to blame for that but themselves. This is more relevant than ever today, and I recommend everyone be as secure as possible against war, famine, and plague, because I think they're getting started in the West.

Fail to plan, plan to fail.

What I did say was that the victims of genocide have not protected themselves, and they have no one to blame for that but themselves.

I actually can’t construct anything worse than you can with your explanation. That’s why I was mainly asking you to explain.

That's utterly silly. Who do you think is responsible to protect people from catastrophes if they aren't? You? Me? Rampaging hordes have been a hazard since humanity learned to sharpen sticks. Anyone unprepared for them asks for what they get, and that's the fact of evolution.

This isn't a comment on rampaging hordes' responsibility for their actions. It doesn't address them at all. In the context they are comparable to volcanoes and earthquakes, just another disaster that human societies face from time to time, and which they are either competent to survive or perish therefrom. If you want to discuss the responsibility of rampaging hordes for their rampages, that's a different matter that we should not confuse with the matter at hand: the personal responsibility of people for their personal survival.