Fuck you, I won't do what you tell me
3 years ago in Proof of Brain by calumam (64)
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My opinion, which does not matter anyway and is probably wrong (because I do not know all the arguments for which this negative vote was introduced) is that the downvote is harmful, it is a weapon made available to the powerful but here it should not be a war!
Many who want to be blockchain and Hive ideologues call this a decentralized place, this would be a great advantage and difference from the bad world of politicians and bankers, a place where everyone is equal and freedom of expression is guaranteed. Utopia. There is no difference. The financially strong are the ones who lead, just like in the real world. The rich become even richer, those without resources have no chance to be heard (in the sense that they can change something). Or they can? (I don't have an example of this).
I understand your rebellion @calumam but I don't think I understand all your reasons. In the current conditions, it seems to be a chivalrous challenge to the confrontation, even if you know that you have no chance to win.
“Who wishes to fight must first count the cost” - Sun Tzu, The Art of War
It is said that "at war as at war", but I would have liked to find another method in this potential conflict, not the same downvote.
Because this downvote is a permanent threat, even if it is not used. Just by the fact that it exists.
Does this sound like a healthy platform to you?
Unfortunately, my answer tends to be no ...
This is an important comment.
Thank you!
Hole-e what in the behind the curtain drama did I just witness?!
Drama :)
I made a post using Fuck just for laughs. Had no idea it was frowned upon. Power in the hand of a few is the antithesis of blockchain.
Couldn't agree more. It never fails to amaze me how short-sighted people are.
Outstanding work mate! I'm on the run right now and will comment better later, but just wanted to leave here all my praise for the effort in the post and also for raising a important issue here.
I think his intentions are clear and the lack of conversation is complicated. Pretty words to the ones who follow, silence to the ones who question. Lets' see what @onealfa next moves will be.
A little more communication would be great but I'm not the one to initiate it. I feel like this post is like my critical mass. I've said what has needed to be said in one way or another, and now my headspace is clear.
Like I say in the post, nothing personal, don't think anyone is a bad guy, just sharing my point of view and some "history".
We are already two Fabio who we see as something strange happens and it seems that the others to take care of the votes a bit prefer to fall or look the other way, I think @calumam should reconsider some current delegations, it seems to me that there are several Judas here!
FUCK THE DEMOCRATIC PROCESS
TURN THIS UP AND GET YOUR WHOLE FAMILY!!!
P.S. @calumam Let him feel powerful, the lust for power is something people will spend a whole lifetime chasing, if he can get high here for a bit, hopefully he will respect our watering whole.
I do not know how the hell, to put my applause here graphically, but believe me @calumam, I applaud you standing up and with pleasure.
Thanks a lot. nothing more to say
Hopefully it isn't such a big deal, I think it's evident from the post that the downvote wasn't something I'd typically do, it was just a "prodding stick", and it provided quite the learning opportunity (got my fingers crossed that it doesn't evolve into something more, although I'm not going to lose any sleep over it).
Well it's got FUCK in the title and you tagged it #lols...but..but...where is the lols?
Here, I'll help you out!
Holy fuck i just uploaded an image using the POB front end - awesome!
I know mate, this was as dry as a nuns chuff. I'm going to have to flex my funny muscle in a post eventually.
gifs? - are they allowed on pob?
Word on the street is, and this didn't come from me... if you post a jiffy, the almighty ruler will shun you from society and you'll not eat for a week... you didn't hear it from me, right? I'm fucking serious mate, my kids need to eat.
Alright fine, just one little jizzladodar, I can't help it, I've got a problem.
I think I'm already on the naughty list :)
I haven't even read it all. Because I really can't.
Besides, I don't even know what the real "bullshit" is going on
fight of egos for what it seems to me.
You two seem to me to have strong opinions, criticisms that are very well done and that look out for the good of the community. But from different views and ways where neither side wants to loosen
This seems to go far by the way.
Anyway, you who are great, you who understand each other. But don't harm others in the middle trying to be successful. The image and the example are totally ugly besides that when a war happens, the ones that suffer most are the population, the community, and not the political interests and hurt egos of those who are "dictating" the war.
I hope everything will be okay. Hugs!
To give an opinion you must read the whole thing and go back to the past, all of us here have benefited thanks to @calumam who sacrificed his earnings to give away and delegate to many of those who comment here, while @onealfa only accumulates for him and a group of Leofinance . That is not bad either because everyone does what they want with their people.
What @Calumam tries to show is that it does not matter how good your content may be in POB, but you are in Leofinance worth 1 cent.
In hindsight, think where would @caluman be now if the POB that he has won all these months was used to grow his account and therefore his vote?
I would like, although I very much doubt it, to see an initiative of @onealfa that promotes the interaction and growth of POB ...
I think I got excited for a second and lost my mind ...
But that's it!
What I say, don't run away from it!
I've always said in my posts that everyone does what they want and about what is right and wrong. Despite having to have a sense of things and common sense.
What @calumam has done and is doing has helped many people, including me. I'm grateful for the way he supports and creates. At the same time @onealfa also helped me a lot with the votes and Toruk (if I'm not mistaken about the name) for example. The same @onealfa has repeatedly posted the style he likes to read and vote on. He doesn't like who votes for himself and some content. He analyzes first and blocks if he doesn't like it. Is this having a lot of EGO? Maybe yes or no. It's your way. And for what he's accumulated over time and the time he spends manually reading content, voting, and adding valuable content (in his opinion), it's right for him. Just as @calumam uses its contests, the way it reads and votes and, above all, gives away its resources to reward. Each one looks and invests in their own way. @Calumam is one of the people who "lost" POB the most by helping others. I see others trying to be the cool guy here and promoting, but they don't give up their earnings close to 1/3 of what @calumam has already done. And these people still want to say they're thinking about the community, but in the end it's for their own gain. Just like EVERYONE in the end wants to win too. But is this person wrong? I don't know what's wrong? It's the sight of several people saying yes and no exactly like mine now. Just as many are here talking right now. Freedom is for everyone. But your freedom cannot interfere with the freedom of others... That is.
The fight cannot harm others who have nothing against it or both. I've never had anything against @onealfa that helps a lot with their strong 100% vote just as @calumam helps a lot in distributing their net earnings. Though I understand and clearly see their conflicting minds and strong opinions. xDD
Like Fabio, I think that if we put both parties on a balance I agree with @calumam regardless of whether they vote against me or do not give me votes, I think that when something has to be said and it is well said, it cannot fall just to please a great vote.
I think that whoever dares to make the article of a statistics between the two, the results that they throw will be clearer and they will understand what is being raised.
If I knew what tools to use and how to do it, I would apply for free to the job regardless of the delegation, I think it would open the eyes of many!
yes I agree with you
In fact, some of my posts on POB were always some sort of visions of what I saw happening in the community. But, of course, in a more "Indirect" way
And even before all that, I was already thinking about a post to write and that now only motivated me to create it xD
Just talking about what I'm aware of: I get some votes from @onealfa.leo and @onealfa.pob once in a while (it's like a lottery ticket... lol) and I'm very grateful for that.
What I can see is that @onealfa has an aggressive point of view in terms of investments (and I don't see anything wrong with that). Not everyone needs to agree with the way he acts... However, if things start to go overboard (something that hurts the POB project as a whole), we can't just sit around and watch.
So... It will be necessary to talk better to solve everything in the best possible way.
I feel we are all grown ups here and understanding is just the major key to keep things on track in the community.
Let’s all join hands together and work has one if possible a group another the community has a board to discuss matters like this.
Thank you for the audience.
It is something that does not sound so crazy, you know, if you take into account that you are playing an issue against someone with 7% of the pob that exist, you just have to join together to face such a complex issue!
Well said, @savagetobi.
This post is all an elaborate rouse, here is a short clip of me and onealfa from last night. Panic over.
These words sound more like you do not want to lose the votes that you could get in the future, you know that in an environment like this where freedom of expression is supposed to reign, being afraid to express yourself is not an option, they will do little but well I must imagine who want to keep a little hope in having a positive vote!
NOBODY wants to miss the chance to get good upvotes (and that includes you), because we're all here for it too.
I've never had any kind of disagreement with @onealfa and I'm going to condemn anyone for taking a more incisive point of view (this is a private decision for each person). In my previous comment I already said, and I'll repeat:
Conversation is always the best way to work things out, but if that doesn't work... Of course, other measures will have to be considered.
If for you, expressing yourself means starting an unnecessary "war"... Go ahead, but don't count on me because that's not how I think.
One last thing, I don't sell my right to express myself for any upvote (no matter how big it is) because that's priceless to me.
In the first part you are wrong, you know, I say what I believe and think, give me or not votes, you will never listen to me writing something to make someone like me and earn some POB, if I win it well and if not I win it by thinking differently, I don't think I can do much.
As for what you mention about the war, I don't know what you mean, the good thing about blockchain is that you can follow traces, and if you still don't know how to do it you can read a little about it, what @calumam says is perfectly accurate.
The last thing you write is a bit confusing if you compare it with the way you start the answer.
It seems to me more that you want to please both sides in order to strategically receive a benefit.
The only thing that I agree with you is that everyone can say and think what they want, am I not doing exactly that?
I do not care if he is very big or small, anyone has the right to express himself whatever his point of view!
I'm glad I came back here. These debates are enjoyable.
Yup. Socio-economic factors come into play with all of this. This is exactly why I mentioned the post I wrote about mob mentality and "jungle justice", because taking sides and resenting people for their actions is a slippery slope towards complete chaos and disorder.
There really isn't any need for a "war". It's obvious why I downvoted and I'm hoping @onealfa reads into this and is able to see the logic behind it.
I agree, I'd be lying if I said I didn't admire his bluntness in this atmosphere. I'm unsure if it is hurting the platform, that's the concern, it may work out for the better, it may not. I was hoping some of the people I tagged from LEO would have responded or at least shared their point of view, again, maybe my method for interaction wasn't the most productive (still wrapping my head around some of the more difficult sides of EQ).
Im glad I came back here. These discussions or debates are interesting. My only disappointment is, I guess, in nearly 4 years of activity here, I've never hearda that alpha whatever handle until now.
Wow... This is the fire you were talking about. Now I see. Eventually everything will be brought into the open but the sooner the better as much as I'm concerned.
The good news is I can see how your word of the week applies to the POB cummunity over the past few weeks.
I hope we don't screw up POB before we even get started.
By the way I liked the music and think the artist has integrity.
Don't tell me about it. =/
Nice one, I think so too. His lyrics are seriously on point.
IMO, it's already screwed, but I guess time will tell.
I do appreciate the detective work that you did, this was a lot of work to put together. Let me not take that away from you, nor your care for POB which is unmatched. Let me only speak from my own care for POB and say that 93% of the POB stake is a lot more than 7%. We have built a great platform thus far, and can continue to do so with that 93%. We may even change the actions of the other 7% by leading by example. That is my 2 cents... take them for what they are worth.
This is very true, the market allows it and that's just something that is to be expected. The price and stability of POB has provided the energy for exponential growth in just a few months, so that is to be appreciated and something we should all be grateful for. My point of view is not one-sided by any means, I have mentioned in comments that I admire @onealfa in some respects and that I do understand the value that he brings to the table as an investor. This doesn't negate the fact that this is a complex eco-system and potential concerns and actions should be aired out to consider how it plays out in the longer term.
Your reply to my comment on your own post brought up some helpful insights to the front of my mind. Especially when it comes to the drama/discussion tradeoff. I believe I made that clear in this post where I say;
These are new grounds for me as a person and something I'm learning about as I go. So I appreciate the opportunity to reflect back on my own decisions and thought process, this is the most important thing for me. Like I also said;
Thanks for the realness @allcapsonezero.
If POB should go down, then it's settled that nothing good works out on Hive!
:(
I don't think he would downvote the wotw post. That'd be super low EQ but ¯\_(ツ)_/¯.
Yeah, the culture does feel like it has changed over the last month or so. There's no point creating a second LEO over here, especially since the original one is still working very well in my opinion.
Ultimately, this is proof-of-stake in action. Those with the most stake determine the course of the tribe. For better or worse.
I can't agree more.
LeoFinance community is great and the team behind it does a very competent job there. So, the main point is: There has to be space for everyone, because this shouldn't be a predatory chain.
Maybe the problem lies with general purpose tribes and cross-posting. With Reddit, there are few general content sub-reddits. Most have a theme and any cross posting that doesn't meet the theme gets removed.
On Hive, in order to get more rewards, folks just spam the tags and with the price of pob, it is easy to see why.
This cross-posting thing was a bad idea after all.
I don't think its a bad ideia, some posts are POB and about finance, I think it's better than we having to made 2 posts, or, copy-pasting... But I think that some people just get lost in the use of tags... Certain things I don't use POB(ok, I know that I have few posts, but I think everyone can compare my timeline in HIVE/PEAK and in POB and will see some posts not appearing in POB.) . For example, I decided that I will not write posts about Splinterlands in POB... and I am following that.
I suppose tribes and especially general content tribes weren't meant to have such high prices. Just thinking about it, aren't general content tribes basically a clone of Hive with different token economics?
The concept of cross-posting is needed in my opinion because some content really does concern multiple communities but the execution as it is now feels a little off. To be fair, I can't think of a much better solution. They all have trade-offs.
Well, I can't complain about prices... but I think that this situation is due to the users, they set the price right?
if there is anything i have learnt here it is that I should stay away from whales' drama.
i don't have a direct relationship with alfa but he supported me in the past. He is also big on ownership and staking and I understand his point of view. You on the other hand care more about distribution and the value of the social platform--pob.
i think you two want the best for the community but are going about it in different ways. i think you both are valuable to the pob community. if you both ever see eye-to-eye that will be great but based on what I have read here I don't think he wants to engage you in a conversation.
Also, I want to reiterate here that I value the work you do for the pob community and hope you continue.
Yeah, this is my thinking too. I don't think we're "at war" or anything like that, I'm just a pest and @onealfa is doing the smart thing of just ignoring me. I hope that somebody with better people skills can find out a little more about alfa's motives on the platform because I've ended up putting up a wall, something that could be seen as more damaging to the community.
I don't plan on stopping, got some interesting things in the works also now that I have a large portion of WOTW responsibilities delegated out to people I trust.
Well, I didn't understand some parts in this post(maybe because my brain is half focused in the reading and half focused in some problems of programming, well...)...
But I liked this part:
I think that this idea has a huge potential, and I would like to know more. How can I do that?
About the point of the post, I think that downvote is something fucking annoying, but when we poke the bear or bears, we have to be prepared to receive bites and such. It's nice? No. Is something wanted? No, I think, but for every action, there is a reaction. It means that if you receive a downvote is it because you poked the bear? No, I'm not saying that. Does it mean that we have to let bears wandering around without being poked? No, by all means, FUCK NO!! Does it mean that we have to kill all the bears? I don't know... What I think is that bears have the right to do bearish things since they don't go against humans that are far from them, and if they get too close, we have the right to poke them, and we have to be prepared against the bites and such, maybe having a nice big stick whit a nice and sharp steel point in hands? I don't know...
Lots of work and thought been put into this post.
Whether you like it or not, this is the way that Proof Of Brain works with a market for tokens and is no different than any other component of society that utilises a form of currency as its basis. Whether that is right or wrong..... Money makes money and the token price wouldn't be where it is now without investment.
You do raise some interesting points that many have asked many times before!
That's right. Do you reckon that LEO has dropped because POB has shown up? Money from one goes into the other. Swapping back and forth, trading value, until the next one comes along.
This is why the price doesn't concern me because it's all just air money from the HIVE blockchain. There will always be another tribe. Someone with a large stake bought using curation rewards from another stake does not impress me and it's not solid stability for the tokens price. For that, you need "real" investors (something HIVE hardly gets that many of, so what does that suggest?).
It’s an insular environment at the moment. If we could attract more into the ecosystem then we could see significant growth!
God have mercy lol, this is truly a very long write up
LOL
I guess @calumam had a lot to say.
At the end of the day I hope we don't get POB fucked up because you talked about it's potentiality of failure due to the wrong practices. Human influence can make or mar and that's what I exactly understand from this post. This was totally long and enlightening. We can see the huge negative influence Elon has on what people do pertaining to crypto. It's why it'll be better to spread POB's power to influence rather evenly.
If POB is fucked because I've spoken about this, then it was doomed, to begin with, and accelerating the process would help with moving onwards.
It's almost stupid how important this is in the long term.
@calumam I have always been impressed by your writing skill. Hope you can share
some tips with me 😄😄
Phew! @calumam,
How about @proofofbrainio mediating and bringing this whole thing to an end on the discord?
Not sure what there is a mediate, I've drawn a line in the sand as far as I'm concerned. Everyone can do their own thinking with regards to this now.
Yes, you've made everything clear. I'm just saying it is obvious some discord
is brewingis quite done brewing, if things continue like this those unhealthy wars might begin and nobody wants that. @proofofbrainio (Because I think he's in the best position) can talk to all parties involved and bring about an end to further discord.Friend what kind of article, this had to happen for a long time, and more when this type of people change their ego to a young platform. Honestly, it's easy to brag about something when you have a wide advantage, it's kind of like having a Ferrari and showing off when you win a race against a beetle. Do you remember when I told you that when you are a woman you have two wide breasts and being blonde and it gave an advantage, because I was referring to the whale @onealfa and @nirvana, which still has me intrigued by the strange link of LEO transactions of @nirvana and @waraira777, leaving those strange incongruities aside, I dare say that this is nothing more than a small select group which benefits whether or not it is a good content, what matters is a bit of good taste in Leo and you will be rewarded On both platforms, what a way to SLAP everyone who strives to make great content on POB.
I have really been a bit busy these last few days and I think it shows by my profile a little abandoned, but surely I will write something about it regardless of having a big negative vote, and that this is an example that can happen to anyone who is at odds with a whale!
With all due respect, but the personal and financial relationship between Nirvana and I is only between her and me, as a couple we do not have to give explanations to scheming people like you, someone bent on muddying the reputation of a great woman, mother, professional, author and my future wife. Fortunately she blocked you, she simply transcended your vulgar harassment and moved on, you should do the same and dedicate yourself to your own. Goodbye, see you never.
At no time did I say anything contrary to your praise, deep down I knew that they had a bond since no one transfers 100% of their earnings to another account, luckily the only question left is whether it is you in the two accounts or there are 2 ! but it's still not my problem.
At no time harass your fiancée, just question the subtle way in which they simulate a commitment to the platforms when their acts are the opposite, lately I have seen that after taking some of my comments to the public light they have been betting a little more of coins, I think a bit of remorse, or just wanting to demonstrate with facts the commitment that they pretended to have!
If at any time you have felt alluded to with what I said, I only apologize, I think you already know my style, when I think something I only express what I persuade and I try to be as respectful as possible, so do not come here with your air of Cabernicola to try to make me look like a stalking monster, the benefits of Blockchain are clear, anyone can verify my comments and find where that happened, which you accuse me!
Come on friend, it is not my fault that you live in a country under dictatorship, and have the perception that everywhere it is or should be like that.
Here we live in a democracy and as long as I have respect, I can express what I think and see. Don't blame me for that!
I fully support you. I don’t feel like that guy cares about our platform at all and what we are trying to do here on POB. I could be wrong but don’t think I am.
I'm not sure, and I'd say it would be dumb to fully support me, lol. Need more communication.
Ultimately, this is proof-of-stake in action. Those with the most stake determine the course of the tribe. For better or worse. Many who want to be blockchain and Hive ideologues call this a decentralized place, this would be a great advantage and difference from the bad world of politicians and bankers, a place where everyone is equal and freedom of expression is guaranteed.