I might not be the smartest cat in the barn, but every now and then I find myself contemplating something I just can't get to make sense.
Today, I found myself getting caught up in one of those "loops."
Web 2.0; Web 3.0
So, one of the premises of web 3.0 is allegedly this notion that we are each our own businesses; our own contractors; our own employers and employees, and the potential exists for us to be rewarded for creating content in social media settings.
Communities like Hive and Leo Finance are leading the way and this new paradigm of "social media that Rewards."
However, it seems like there's something a little strange that often happens; something fishy.
Hundreds of millions of people are evidently perfectly content to put a lot of time and effort into social media on platforms like Facebook, YouTube, twitter and others where they get absolutely nothing for their efforts. You could say that the balance in their Facebook wallet is perpetually stuck on zero!
So along comes Hive, and offers people the potential to earn rewards for their content, through this decentralized system we have, where there's no evil overlord to pull the plug on you.
Wait... WHAT???
But here's where it gets weird! People might come over from Facebook where they get absolutely nothing for their content, then they start posting on Hive and immediately start complaining that the one or two dollars a post they are being rewarded is not worthwhile!
Let that sink in, for a moment. What the hell? We just got through establishing that you're earning absolutely nothing on Facebook but you gladly deal with it, but now earning a dollar or two a post on Hive is "not worthwhile?"
Am I the only one in the room for whom that doesn't make any sense at all? Last time I checked $1 is more than no dollars.
But evidently a lot of people don't see it that way. There's a hidden implication that the moment you start being "rewarded" for your efforts that reward is assumed to suddenly be a living wage rather than a small tip or something like that.
I must confess that I just don't get it. Either that, or there's something in this picture that I'm completely missing. I'm certainly open to that possibility!
Well, just had to put that out there... now I must return to my nap!
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Modern schools teach destructive things about the marketplace of ideas.
For example they are taught that making money off of ideas leads to a corruption of the idea.
I worked on numerous Web 1.0 web sites. The sites provided free forums and services for users. A small number of users would attack small independent forums whenever the forum tried to monetize the traffic.
Web sites have to be able to make some money to stay independent.
Anyway, by destroy small media, the provocateurs ended up pushing us into the hands of big media.
I am really happy that HIVE found a formula that could help people out of the trap.
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I definitely remember the early web, and the way some of the early "purists" believed the Internet would be "ruined" if commercial interests were allowed. Anybody even thinking about trying to make money from the web was immediately blackballed. "But it costs MONEY to run servers and code web pages!" Well, you shouldn't have a web site if you're not prepared to offer what you have for free.
As you say, small operators were attacked and closed down. Large organizations shrugged it off and kept going.
I like Hive and its communities. It will be interesting to see where we end up!
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I started networking with Compuserve and local BBSes. There were thousands of independent computer support groups at the time.
There was also a huge number of small businesses involved in the early days of the commercial internet.
I hope that internet historians record that these small businesses fell apart because there was an active effort on the part of the intelligentsia and big business to undermine the small businesses.
Unfortunately, the Web 1.0, Web 2.0 and Web 3.0 narrative seems to have taken hold. So, the hundreds of thousands of small business the internet produced will likely be lost to history.
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I think it's more complicated than that. First, I think comparing Facebook to Hive is a very poor comparison. Most people use Facebook more like twitter, posting pictures and short content. Or they use it to interact with friends and family in a semi-private manner.
A better comparison to hive would be Wordpress or Blogger where longer form content is the norm. Those coming here from facebook and complaining probably weren't writing long posts on Facebook in the first place. Facebook also has orders of magnitude more users so engagement is easier. You can find a group on whatever hobby or topic interests you and there's likely to be tons of people to converse with. The same isn't true (yet) on hive. That's sort of a catch-22 of course. The point being that chatting about topics that interest you doesn't feel like work you should get paid for. Spending significant time creating a long form post, however, does...at least to some people.
I think hive would be far more successful going after users of blogger and Wordpress than going after users of Facebook. They really feel like completely different audiences. And then projects like Threads can go after twitter users.
Well, you make some good points @darth-azrael.
Facebook is definitely somewhat more like twitter, but it's also more of an "everything app" than twitter. Interestingly enough, LeoFinance's new "Threads" initiative seems to be going more after the twiiter audience, presumably on the assumption that it's where the "mass market" is.
Personally, I came to "Hive 1.0" as a refugee from the days of "social blogging" which was at its height between 1999 and about 2007. Hive resembles nothing so much as the blogging community I once was part of, Xanga. Which was no small potatoes, hosting over 30 million bloggers at its prime, and being a top-50 size (globally) on Alexa and Quantcast.
I always thought that was exactly the audience Hive should go after, but I think the "young turks" driving the community forward think of social blogging as dated and no longer interesting. But Hive with 30 million users? They'd pretty much $hit their pants if that happened...!
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I remember Xanga well. And Myspace. Facebook never really seemed like a "blogging" platform though, at least not in the way that most people use it. If you do a search for top blogging platforms, you'll see WordPress and Blogger at the top of the list followed by a whole bunch of stuff I've mostly never heard of.
What hive really needs if it want to complete with the likes of blogger and wordpress is customization. There needs to be a way that people can create "mysite.hive.com" with custom themes.
One dollar is definitely more than none at all indeed! That's what my invutes thinks too! And now they are working so hard to reach the levels and requirements meta had set for them to earn! I say sh*t! You were that hard working, you could have done that in hive, youll be a millionaire now.
Of course im ecagerating about the millions but im moatly happy even with the cents i earn in my posts even
I think Hive is a great opportunity for anyone who's willing to just enjoy the social web and view the rewards as a bonus they get for creating content and interacting with others!
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There ain't no like here as much as facebook does. Or thye don't like to type in many words
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I think it has to do with the structure. I've had several friends say "I wouldn't know what to write" on Hive, because here it's work, it's composing blogs and videos, as opposed to shooting the sh*t with your friends and memes. Here is "content creation" where most people on web 2.0 actually don't do that.
Now, for those who DO create content, and aren't yet popular enough on web 2.0, I don't know why they wouldn't come over and post here too. How many creators post on TikTok AND YouTube AND IG with their reels or whatever. And the big names could bring audience with them - I would like to be able to upvote creators I like. I can't afford to join everyone's Patreon. I'm sure there are many others like me who would like to give them a thanks but can't afford it out of pocket.