Arsenic Lullaby on NFTShowroom and how it compares to Makersplace and SuperRare

in OnChainArt16 days ago (edited)

When we last, last, last, left our hero he had "minted" a new "nft" on SuperRare. That whole sorted tale is here in case you missed it/want a good laugh
https://hive.blog/hive-156509/@arseniclullaby/making-an-arsenic-lullaby-nft-the-hard-way

The second of two of such online art galleries I've used so far. And I have, after the recommendation of some of you and some dragging of my heels, finally minted some nfts of the hive based online gallery NFTshowroom.

I'm gonna show you what I put up AND give you my thoughts on these sites, keep in mind that my understanding of all this is only slightly above anyone else with basic knowledge of blockchain type stuff. I'm getting up to speed as quick as possible but for now...I know just a little more than than someone who only heard of it yesterday, and that puts me in a pretty fair position to asses these places.

and as always, I don't neuter my opinion.

for reference, my galleries on each are as follows

MAKERSPLACE
https://makersplace.com/arseniclullaby/

SUPERRARE
https://superrare.co/arseniclullaby

NFTSHOWROOM
https://nftshowroom.com/arseniclullaby/gallery

There's at least a dozen more sites like these ( and counting) I could be on, but I'm not spending my time branching out to every single one that pops up. Aside from the expense of time, if you are unaware of how this works, once you "mint" a piece of work...that's it. It's done, set in stone as well as any bitcoin transaction ever is...that piece is now an nft and can't be made into one again. which means you want to be fairly confident in the site overall or you've just pissed away a good piece of artwork to loiter in obscurity.

SuperRare and Makersplace seem to be the two most legit, solid, established sites...with a lot of traffic, attention to promoting themselves, and just overall usability. I hear a bit now and then about Rareable, and that could be a fine site...I just haven't looked into it, could be an even better one out I don't know about, but these are the two that i've seen the whales speak of the most. And NFTshowroom...well, it was recommended and as much as this here blockchain has helped me along, it'd be pretty low to not give them a fair shake.

Staring on NFTshowroom with these two, and more to come if it looks promising...

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I don' know where the hell any progress shots of me making these are, but I do like to show off so here's a look at the inking that went into them.

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That's some fine work right there, if I do say so myself...originally 10x16 inches or so. All done by hand with a no.0 brush.

Of the three sites, Makersplace is the most user friendly, visually appealing, well organized, functional. They just have it all kicked in the butt. There ain't much I could think of missing from there. Looks good, isn't cluttered, has things showcased and featured into different categories, the search engine is fast, it loads fast. If you had told me that they had been working on the coding for 6 years, I'd believe you. It works as well as any top tier social media site.

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You click on an "artists" page and you get a nice clean friendly layout, showing all their work, and who they follow/who follows them/number of views...that sort of thing

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and you can click on "about" to get info on them, or click on the piece you like and see it better and with more info...

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Yeah, that one's gone/sold...early bird gets the worm. I haven't done any auctions/bidding options with my work there yet, so I don't know how that all works, but everything else works great. I've emailed back and forth with them about stuff, and they are responsive, they know what they are doing and genuinely give a shit about growing the site.

Superrare does most of the same things as MP but the look is more..uhm..Spartan, I guess, more bare bones...and this may be by design. I've spoken and had email exchanges with them, they are bright, ambitious and know exactly where they want to go with the platform. They are clearly looking to keep themselves separated from the pack by emphasis on "rare" and on being for serious collectors/artists. That's what they focus on, that's what they have...that's how they are branding themselves. They're not an internet art carnival to hang out in and window shop/daydream. You go there for serious high end stuff, so what color the font is, is far on the bottom of this list of concerns for anyone there. Although, it wouldn't hurt to make it a little more fun...or maybe it would, I dunno, it's not my brand. I'm sure they have given it more thought than I have...which would be about 45 minutes.

Branding is an interesting and diabolical thing when done correctly. Every aspect has to work towards or give aid to how you want your business viewed. These two site are good examples of that. SuperRare being for serious collectors, Makersplace looking to be a big fun tent and focus on growth and being enticing to people just now learning about NFT art.

By the way, this is just my own observations...I didn't ask anyone for their long term strategy before onboarding. But I'm observant and know a thing or two about a thing or two. It's always possible either or both of these sites are reading this, thinkg TWF is he talking about? But, I'd bet I'm spot on.

You can only mint a piece as 1 of 1. on SuperRae, no multiples. They seem to be limiting the amount of new artists, being more discerning so that it's not just a photoshop/gif sh*tshow like many of the smaller players in the game. Of course...I had no problem being on boarded because well...

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The gallery homepage is pretty straight forward with several categories to look through as you scroll down

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Now, going hand in hand with the function over form that appeals to the artists and clients they are looking to attract/keep...is this handy option on the home page, a bunch of switches you can click to refine the gallery itself, which I found very cool and very innovative and super useful. And you can easily imagine different types of collectors also finding that very useful depending on what/why they buy.

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Going along the same path, you click on an artist you get this...

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Here's what I like about this landing page...it has your bio right there, front and center "I'm a big deal", again working with the principal of their branding. They are bringing in legit artists and they are making sure you know that every time you click on one. Very smart.

So...you click on the art and get this...

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Very cut and dried...

The only thing that vexes me about their site, is on the artist landing page, even when it's mine, I can't click on the number of followers or number of people I follow to get a list to look though. This may be for the sake of privacy for the Whales, but it would sure be useful if I could click on the number that shows how many people I follow, and see names to click on to see if they have anything new. Who knows...I'm guessing it's a privacy thing. or maybe I'm doing something wrong. (shrug)

SO...that brings us to Hive's own NFT Showroom. How does this semi-beta version of an up and comer stack up to these two badass galleries?

Uhm...well...

overall they stack up good! But they have some wrinkles to iron out. Let's start with the good. It looks great, it functions well, it's pretty user friendly. The fucking thing works, and that 90% of the battle with start ups. Here's the main page...

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you get a bunch of categories you can look through, the search engine works fine. Easy to use. You click on the artist landing page and you get this...

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okay...that's fine, that's a way to go with the layout. Nothing wrong with that...except there is no number of followers, or people I follow. I find that strange...to the point I wonder if they just forgot. If they left it out on purpose hoping to not have their site become a pissing contest, they are in the wrong business. I DO very much like that there is "feed" button, that will just show me the stuff of people I follow. That's pretty handy, and it's not ( I don't think...it could very well be right in front of my face) an option on the other two sites.

Moving right along, you click on the piece of art you like and you get this...(I scrolled down to the info under the pic....the pic is large so it wouldn't fit in one screen cap)

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again...that's fine, it looks fine, it works. HOWEVER...absent from this page is how many views/likes the image has. Now this is just un-defendable. THIS needs to be fixed. HOW...I ask you, am I to know if my promoting is working or which days / ways of promoting are working better, to drive people to the site...if they site doesn't tell me how many people showed up????

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So there's that. Also you will see that if you want to bid , you do so not with Hive, but with "swaphive", which I assume is just some token name that doesn't need to exist and they could have just used Hive. What is it about this blockchain that compels people/developers to always add an extra layer of confusion for no good reason? You ALREADY need whales to go get Hive, a token most don't use or gaf about...and beyond that you tacked on a extra name/step. WHY? If there is some fundamental need/purpose...please...by all means explain it to me. Because me, myself, personally, if I wasn't already well connected to this blockchain when I saw that the token was some silly offshoot, I would have just left, moved onto Rareable or some other site as my third. I'm being honest here. What may be a simple explanation is in fact a deterrent...because no one has time to ask and no one gives a fuck. People know what ETH is, they know where to get it, they know it's legit, probably they have heard of Hive...SWAPHIVE...they don't know what that is, I don't know what that is.

Lastly...there is a sizing issue. You upload your actual work ( hi-res large file) then also upload a thumbnail for viewing. So far so good. But their thumbnail box is short and wide. If your work is tall and narrow, it'll do this....

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I thought maybe that's just how it looks in the uploading stage and it'll get trimmed or such properly when it goes live, but then I saw this...

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Here's what this piece actually looks like...

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I asked on Discord and got an answer right away, saying if I was concerned I could scale it myself. Good advice, but that needs to be fixed. NEEDS. as in NEED. as in the next fucking thing you do. You want legit buyers and sellers coming here? you can't have fucked up thumbnails. You can't.

That is another thing, that if I wasn't already part of Hive, would have had me clicking onto some other site to mint my work, instead of asking around.

The bottom line for NFT Showroom...my honest assessment-

It's pretty good. It's got a couple of bugs to work out, but overall it compares very well to the big boys. Everyone involved should be proud. You know I wouldn't say that if I didn't mean it. Impressive work.

Now fix that other shit!

One last thing to mention...and this has nothing to do with the developers or the site itself. It uses SwapHive ( which is basically Hive) and I see things being listed, bought , sold for amounts of 10Hive or 20hive or 100hive. Hive is currently 0.22USD. A you fucking kidding me? That's all you feel you work/time/skill is worth? 2.20??? If that's as seriously as you are willing to take yourselves and what you do...I won't be on this platform long, I assure you of that.

You may think this sounds snobby or greedy, it is neither. That is bad business. People only asking for 2.00 ( the price of a bag of candy) attracts people only looking to spend 2.00 and attracts people who's work is only worth 2.00. That is a world that I have worked very hard to be light years away from.

Take some fucking pride in what you do., and ask for an amount that reflects the work and effort. I put the gif up on SuperRare...uhm..a week ago? Something like that. I got a bunch of bids that have crawled their way up to a couple hundred bucks. You think I'm taking that? I am not. That gif took about a solid week and a half of work. If it has to sit there for three months until someone comes along with real money to spend, who appreciates it, then it'll sit there for three months. Once something it done, it's done. It's not costing you any more time or effort, you're not paying rent to have it there. Name your price (since there is no bidding on NFT Showroom as of yet), and start working on the next thing.

Just think of all the work and effort these people went through to make functional and cool ass platforms...you think they only deserve to make 10% of 2.00?! This is a thing many beginners struggle to accept, which thankfully my own ego allowed me to understand right off- people won't take you seriously unless you take yourself seriously. That thing you made, that took work and effort and you thought of something and made something in a way that no one else ever did in 6000 years of human civilization. That's only worth 2.00? don't undervalue yourself.

and that's...what I think about all that.

Once again my NFTs are found at any of these sites...I blog regularly about the work and how-to that goes into what I do, so go take a look at some of the finished work,see if it grabs ya.

MAKERSPLACE
https://makersplace.com/arseniclullaby/

SUPERRARE
https://superrare.co/arseniclullaby

NFTSHOWROOM
https://nftshowroom.com/arseniclullaby/gallery

Later!

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Any long posts on Hive usually gets me reading only halfway before it bores me. But this review right here really got me towards the end. What you said just saved me a lot of time and also confirmed my initial impressions about the project. I've been lurking on the NFTShowroom pages and had similar opinions about it.

Your suggestion about the thumbnail really got me. It should be fixed. I can also strongly agree with the layer of complexity when it comes to SwapHive. Just why?

I'm a nobody as an artist currently practicing my stuff offline until I get my career sorted out. I'm just banking on the list of options available later on. The comment about pricing an art piece low really hits home.

Thanks! making a review interesting enough to read all the way through is always a grind. I'm glad you found it worthwhile.
The comments about pricing might be the most important part of the whole thing. That and the attitude behind it is often what spells a successful career or an all too short one.

Noted, I used to do tattoo designs for free then transitioned to making small time pay for simple designs. Pricing my works was always the most dragging process. And true enough, I get raised eye brows when some complicated designs that look simple at a glance get priced high. Thanks for the response, take care!

This was very insightful ... and helps me stay the course at charging the prices I want and not becoming a bargain basement artist ...

Oh maaaaan.... You're going to make me sell MORE ETH, aren't you, so I can afford to buy the caterpillar... (As soon as I cash out my last few bits of ETH, it will take off like a wIld bull---but it will be worth it....)

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@richardfyates well now, don't overlook that the caterpillar is an investment as well, and could in fact be a better place to put your eth than eth depending on the day and the crypto market ;P

While @nftshowroom is new compared to the other sites that you have mentioned it seems like they are on the right track with a lot more to do.

For any new business it is a great idea to listen to the needs of their customers as that will be a huge selling point going forward. The hardest thing to do is attracct new users and our greatest selling point the fast free transactions of hive compared to the gas fees of Eth.

I have no idea why they bothered with swap.hive form day one instead of just using hive to purchase like you can in a lot of the current dapps based here. It can be bough on most exchanges and keychain is great for transactions at no cost. Simple is always better.

They do seem to be getting a lot of traction in the artist community and i can see why some artists are selling for lower amounts with multiple editions but for anyone to make a name for themselves they will need to scale that up to a higher amount and make their content to that value. Art isn't easy to produce, especially detailed works like yours and so they should reflect that in price.

I like the honesty of your review and hope that the team can take onboard constructive criticism to build in the right direction. It's important to give and take advice in the right way so that it has the desired effect. Blunt is fine, insulting isn't and i think you got the balance right with this post.

Balancing blunt and insulting is tough...especially when you also need to be entertaining, haha. If I write some milktoast review and neuter my actual thoughts, I'd be boring and no one would read. Hopefully all parties involved are bright enough to know that readers were presented with reasons to give each of them a look. I think they are.

Selling for lower when you're making multiples is standard, I do it as well...but that's not an excuse for a 2.00 price tag, and the thinking behind a 2.00 price tag is the thinking that prevent people from ever having actual careers. Imma get into that when replying to another guy.

anyways, glad you found thee post worthwhile!

I really dig this style of art. Wish I was better at doing it contain something like this as well. I like the flat coloring with the crosshatching.

Thanks! I find anything more than flat muted colors just robs the linework of it's charm...in my case anyway

Well said.
I've only just checked out the NFT showroom, but your advice seems sound.
I saw some $2.00 refrigerator art on there as well as some cool stuff.

It makes sense that under valuing your art doesn't help bring the clientele you want.

Thanks for the no nonsense review. I like the cut of your jib.

Thanks for reading! If I could get just one point across it would be the point about undervaluing your work.

I am a photographer, not an artist, but I have wondered about sites like these, so thanks for the honest review.

a couple of points...

Firstly:

You mention that some of the sites don't allow you to look at followers/following, I don't really know why you need to know that. Surely if a customer really likes an image then they will buy it regardless of how many likes or follows it has?

Secondly:

That's only worth 2.00? don't undervalue yourself.

I thoroughly agree with this. Too many people undervalue their work. And if an artist thinks their work is only worth 10 bucks, then people will never pay more than that. My partner paints, and whenever she asks me for an opinion on a price for a completed piece of work I always triple her initial price:

"£100?! Dawn, thats easily worth £350"

Anyway, a very interesting article, and bookmarked for future reference :-)

Heya!
Firstly- much of this in investment buying, so yes...people are going to want to know if they are buying from someone with a large following due ,theoretically, on being established and work being in demand. The thing for me is I on the site and even see MY OWN followers of people I have followed. So I don't know who is interested and I can't track down those I am interested in.
secondly- left to their own mind and self criticism, most will undervalue their work, good of you to counteract that with your partner!

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All good feedback and we have a long list of changes to come, also sometime today (if all goes well) the entire site will have a big update! I look forward to the feedback on that :)

We use swap.hive because we are running second layer using hive engine, we are working on a way to simplify and even possibly allow users to buy art with any currency and have a swap service working in the background but we aren't quite there yet, we want to make sure the basic infrastructure and functionality is good first! thanks again for the feedback, noted ;)

It's human nature for most to only take into account the criticisms when getting feedback on a project, don't overlook the praise that went along with it. I do think you've done good work here and compare very well to big established site that have been at this for far longer.
I still don't understand the swaphive thing, and I doubt I would if you explained it a second time and even slower. Bottom line is you see the issue and you're working to make things simpler, and have a plan. I have no reason to doubt you :)

neat post. I'll upvote and resteem in a second. As for the price of pieces. One thing that's allowed here is printing more than one edition. So, what's likely happening is that an artist is valuing their time at 10 x 20 Hive. So, more like 200 hive total.

I recognize the value of ultimate scarcity 1:1, but it really limits the number of people who can own it to those that have enough money to afford that kind of luxery. I really like who there's more than one edition allowed, or just the 1 if that's preferred. I feel like the artist can still value their work to the same degree, but spread it out over a number of people. So, the artist isn't counting a whale benefactor, but can diversity their collector audience an not worry that a minority of whales stop collecting their work.

...this point here, is so important I'm going to reply to you on a reply of it own above ( or below depending on how it get shuffled, plz stand by.

Truths upfront and solid is the way to go, and I bet it will do no less than help the platform grow and become better. I specially liked what you say about the pricing in NFTShowroom. I too have been seeing that and wondering why people are underselling their stuff so much? 🤷‍ In spanish we call that "disloyal competition" (literal translation), and it hurts everyone in the end.

Your work is great! I really like how the perspective adds to the stories, which already say a lot. Your work and experience shows. Thank you for the inspiration, keep up the good work 🤙

The low pricing on NFT Showroom I agree with you. The real problem is that they use HIVE in the first place and not the stable coin HBD. The problem is that we all value HIVE higher than it currently is, or we wouldn't all be here. So while 10 HIVE is only 20 odd cents now, we might all value that as $10 or $100 dollars or ...? And it's because of this that I don't want to fucking buy anything, as I see myself throwing away potentially hundreds if not thousands of future dollars away. Having said that I did buy one piece that I really liked for 50 HIVE. Just wanted to dip my toes in the water. Maybe I'll make some money with a short term trade before HIVE potentially gets more expensive.

I think you're getting more abstract than you need to here. If you have say, 100.00 to spend on art what's dthe difference if you aquire hive or hdb dollars with it to buy the art? at the time you are buying the art, it's 100usd any way you look at it. By your logic here, you shouldn't spend any money on anything that has less potential for growth than hive. and btw...how exactly do you envision that hive getting such growth, unless everyone starts using it ( you being included in everyone) These are questions I have.

If I buy a piece for 50 HIVE i've spent $10. If HIVE goes 10x i've got a piece of art worth 5 HIVE. I've lost 45 HIVE, which at the new higher price is a loss of $90. So if we expect HIVE to go up, why would we convert our HIVE now to USD equivalent? That's nuts.

uhm...okay first off, you started this by saying you'd buy the art if it was via HBD...by your logic there is no reason to have HBD, you should be converting them to Hive.

Second...hive is worth about 18 cents. it would need to go up FIVE HUNDRED PERCENT before it gets your first prediction of being worth 10.00. 500%. What is the scenario where that happens? I just want to know so I can spot the early signs. Hell, for that matter, I'd love to hear the scenario where it goes up 100%. the only ways I can think of it even getting to 2.00 is if one of these dapps or platforms get popular...which brings me back to the reason you would by the art, to help the platform grow.
You could spend the ten dollars and just buy another ten dollars of Hive. ...you know what? I just realized I'm talking to a guy who doesn't even want to spend ten dollars. ...Good day, sir.

Try reading for comprehension. I've already spent $10 on a piece of art.

I've just realised I'm talking to a tosser.

Perhaps you should try that, wanker. I said "doesn't even want" as in future tense, not past tense. Referring not to what you have done (past tense) but what you may or may not do (future tense). Iin this case the hypothetical future tense sale YOU had JUST previously brought up...see here in the pic I have HIGHLIGHTED where you said "IF" , thus declaring it a hypothetical FUTURE situation...
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Also since I has said "good day, sir", your statement "I'm talking to" would be incorrect, as "I'm" is actually "I am" as in present tense, the correct phrasing would have been " I had been talking to" or "I was talking to"
You were not presently talking to anyone because I had said "good day , sir"
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Yep, definitely a tosser. 😂

well, that was an unpleasant exchange...I just don't have the patience I did 5 months ago. But I think even on a good day I would have broke bad on this guy. He shows up and declares that spending 10 dollars worth of Hive on artwork would be "nuts", ( he says this to an artist who's been earning a living seeling art for over a decade...who just wrote a blog in which it's pointed out why raising your price on artwork is important) because he envisions Hive jumping from being worth .18 to being worth 10.00, at some point in the near future.
lol, WTF are you supposed to do with that?
well, you can listen to him, or listen to me. shrug