take in the crypto community because so many people really are wedded to very narrow models of explaining the world, and they're not prepared to leave those models because it's scary to them. And that's exactly why we wanted to get you on to this podcast to have that conversation. Because in Bankless, we beat the drum on a very few number of very specific theses. And getting somebody's perspective from the outside is really, really important to check ourselves. We want somebody to come check ourselves. And you've definitely done that on the podcast thus far. And I want to get that conversation continued into the world of DeFi. You had Vance Spencer from Framework on the Hidden Forces podcast. And it was one of my favorite podcast episodes that you did. And it was insanely well researched. And I kind of want to ask about the feedback that you got from your audience about that episode. If there was anything there that was surprising to you or or just the overall the nature of the (68/97)
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