on symbols and symbolism. There's also been a significant deterioration of the quality of journalistic practices and ethics. And I feel like this, I have not really talked much on my show or thought much about journalistic ethics weirdly. And as you're talking, it's come up quite a bit for me. Because I feel like, again, this metaphor of a shepherd, the algorithm, it's a great example, people need shepherds. And I feel that the lack of credible voices, now, it's a sensitive topic. I get it. Anytime you talk about politics or journalism, you end up falling in the tribal camp. I think at least this is a safe space. I feel like all of us are not very tribal and sort of we understand that that's not where any of us are coming from. But I brought up Tucker Carlson earlier. And I think it's a good example because he had that conversation about 9-11. And when this individual who, going back to the point of expertise, is a firefighter, but has no discernible expertise in explosives that he's (62/99)
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