a deal over Taiwan, over Gaza and over Ukraine and like settle this. Then I think that is what's in motion. And I'm actually quite optimistic that that is working. But for people who want the war to continue, and who are willing to, for example, go to war over Taiwan, I keep asking the why. Why is that a better way to go than diplomacy? I'm not getting good answers from that side. And I'm frightened because I'm like, is this really just about weapon sales? Like really? Is that what the driver is? I mean, so these are the things that come in answer to your question is if you don't let me ask questions of these answers, that I'm going to question everything. And that's what the public is doing. So there's been, I think, also a loss of trust in quote, expertise. And the United States and Europe have been run for many years by technocrats. We've seen a shift towards populism now, which in some sense is a form of demagoguery. And to use your analogy of symbols and symbolism, leans heavily (61/99)
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