Comments Gone Wild: About the Hypothetical "Hivebeepedia"

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Comments Gone Wild: About the Hypothetical "Hivebeepedia"

If we can't bring Hivebeepedia to life, can we at least bring online a topic-specific Hive-powered almanac or database?



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It's amazing how much we can learn from a database such as IMDB.com:

  • Jack Nicholson and Elton John both appeared in Tommy (1969);
  • Samuel L. Jackson had a bit part in Coming to America (1989);
  • William Shatner starred in The Incubus (1966), an art house Esperanto-language movie, before he took on the role which defined the rest of his life. As an added bonus, this movie even had a brief scene in The Matrix (1999).

Sadly, Amazon.com acquired IMDB.com, so I don't use it as often as I had in the past.


Wikipedia is the most widely used wiki on the planet, but it's not the only game in town. Years after it launched, it had become a victim of its own success. In recent years, it came to be lumped with Big Tech, and you know what that means.

Just as sadly, I do my best to avoid Wikipedia.

So what's out there in Web3 that we can use? If it's not on Hive, where in Web3 do we go to earn crypto, or at least support decentralized services?

Background

Last week @taskmaster4450le touched on how Wikipedia is anti-crypto and what a wiki powered by Hive blockchain would be like. It's safe to say that the mechanical aspects of the wiki would be easy while the compensation and governance aspects would be more difficult. While it will be a happy day when something like "Hivebeepedia" launches, but that won't be any time soon.

In the April 20th edition of Daily Crypto Markets Live Blog we touched on an unexpected detail regarding "4/20 Day," and we had fun with it for a bit.

💬 This was going to be a comment for @taskmaster4450le and the crew at Daily Crypto Markets Live Blog, but you can guess what happened....

So this post is partly my comment to my fellow Leos and partly some points for my fellow Hivers across various communities to consider.

One Example We Can Use: LeoPedia

Just as CoinGecko and CoinmarketCap have educational sections, so does LeoFinance: LeoPedia

AN OPEN RESOURCE FOR CRYPTO EDUCATION

Your Guide to Crypto

Explore, learn and educate yourself about one of the most revolutionary movements in our lifetime.

LeoPedia is meant to be a factual source of crypto which we can consume, consult, and to which we can add content. It has useful content, but it's also limited. LeoPedia is good at what it does, but it can do more.

While LeoPedia would be a major milestone when it's fleshed out and maintained regularly, something more limited yet much easier could be made available.

"Hivebeepedia"? One Day, But Not Today (or Tomorrow)

There are many concerns we need to address before we can proceed with something I call "Hivebeepedia"; how do we

  • authenticate content?
  • handle disputes?
  • reward authors and content validators?
  • keep Hivebeepedia decentralized?
  • fund it?

The coding aspect of "Hivebeepedia" is trivial compared to those issues and other concerns.

Funding via tokenomics or proposals will always be a concern, but we can at least minimize the other issues if we focus on more limited resources we had been used to accessing before we became Hivers.

So What Can We Make for Ourselves?

Almanacs

Almanacs contain time-related or geographic information which can be looked up quickly, or at least consulted for review. Facts and figures beyond dispute is the main characteristic of an almanac.

  • Who else shares your birthday?
  • What happened on some date throughtout the years?
  • What were certain dates like before they were captured by historical events?
  • How many Hoboken-sized cities take up the area occupied by Canada or Kazakhstan?

Would the Hive-powered almanac be one you would use yourself as your go-to resource? What needs to happen to make it one?

References

References are what you would expect them to be: Stores of data to be consulted for necessary data that's not commonly used. As with almanacs, there should be no question as to their authenticity, although they need to be checked for accuracy.

  • How many grams are in one troy ounce of gold, platinum, or palladium?
  • What formulas let us convert among Fahrenheit degrees, Celsius degrees, and Kelvins?
  • When was Pluto last considered a planet?
  • At what age did Pelé join the New York Cosmos?
  • For which team did Reggie Jackson play before he became known as "Mr. October"?
  • What f/stop or ISO do you need to use for a panoramic photo?
  • What are the flags for the provinces of Spain or Nigeria?
  • Is mead a lager or a stout? (Trick question: it's neither.)
  • How in the world do we make home-made holiday fruitcake??

(They should also be easily accessible in case issues of financial concern arise such as who is going to pay for dinner or the car service ride home.)

Dictionaries and Glossaries

This should be a no-brainer in terms of validation and confirmation. Both are still needed, but what's there to be disputed? As for rewards, that can be decided by community vote or a proposal: reward per term? per quantity? per container such as topic or letter?

Dictionaries can be made for each language, either stand-alone or paired with another. They can also be made along the lines of Urbandictionary.com and other slang or vocabularies.

More limited dictionaries, glossaries, can be made for jargon and other terms of the trade.

Dictionaries and glossaries could be made for finance (including crypto), film and television, sports, arts and crafts, medicine, law, education, mathematics, botany, cooking, computing-- anything activity involving people. Which is everything.

Who Can Make These Limited References?

Many topic-specific communities can oversee the creation and mantainance of references which make sense for them. Some of these references could even be collaborations between communities. Along with providing a resource for the communitiy and for Hive, it would generate buzz around an activity which would benefit everyone. If this brings more members and more content, it should be a matter of time before token values increase. This is what we want for the tribes where we're contributors, and along the way this helps the value of HIVE rise.

They may be dedicated teams responsible for overseeing these projects (especially if funding comes via proposals), but any community member should be free to contribute to the references. Over time some Hivers will be known as contributors or even funders, and this may be enough to attract even more contributors or funders. This is the kind of feedback loop we want.

In the event of drama becoming part of the project environment, the project will suffer and token value will drop; if we wanted that kind of drama, we would go with Big Tech and Web 2.0 resources instead.

Where Do We Find Content?

It could be crypto-related, but it could also be something focused like an almanac for movies, sports, photography, recipes, etc. Something easy for anyone to contribute to, and something easy enough to govern and to authenticate with minimal effort.

We could even mine content from Hive blockchain and give credit where credit is due. Not only would this be awesome for the author or the post which contained the content being used by the reference, but it would also help with SEO (Search Engine Optimization) when people outside Hive searrch for content and encounter our Hive postings.

Why Make These References?

Not everyone can set up nodes or code, but anyone can add content and data. Some of us may not know much about crypto or finance or trading, but we can make up for that in other areas where a reference is needed. While the amount of data to add to one of these reference projects is staggering, it's not that bad if everyone added a little to it each day.

No matter which token we buy, there is one ultimate concern for us: we believe the value of the token will rise. If people see that we continually develop, people will want to be associated with what we offer, and that helps a token rise in value. If people see nothing happening, that will kill the price of the token. Many of us have seen this for ourselves either as participants or as observers.

For a community whose token value is not what it had been in the past, working on these references could be a way to revive interest in the community, and therefore the token associated with it. Even if the token doesn't return to its ATH in the short term, the activity may be enough to ensure an upward trajectory for the token price. After all, if others see that we care about our token, perhaps they should care too?

Fine Print Considerations

So as to avoid any legal difficulties, the content we would provide would need to come from public domain content. If it's not public domain content, at the very leasy it needs to be properly sourced and documented. In this respect, we would follow rules or protocols used by the more widely known wiki applications. This is especially important if we're dealing with data from professional sports, music, and cinema.

Just My Two Sats

While it would be ideal for Hive blockchain to power "Hivebeepedia," there's more involved in bringing it online than coding and technical specifications. On top of things which Wikipedia does for itself, there is the tokenization of the content. Add to that the Hive ethos of keeping things decentralized as much as possible. It can be done, but it may be a while before we see something like "Hivebeepedia."

Until then, we may be able to bring to life lesser-scale references such as almanacs, references, and dictionaries. Each type of reference would feature content more concerned with accuracy since authenticity would be essentially a given. This would make tokenization easier.

Anyone should be able to make a contribution to any of these references, whether its LeoPedia or a reference for Natural Medicine or CineTV. In practice, certain people will gravitate to these projects as be known as contributors or funders, and if the project makes enough buzz then it can attract more people to it as contributors or funders. Even if a formal group of contributors and funders takes shape, there will always be room for informal contributors and funders.

There are communities which began with much promise, but for whatever reasons find themselves in a holding pattern. Today it's these, but tomorrow it could be ours. Regardless, a project such as bringing online a reference which is updated constantly could be a way to revitalize interest in a community, and alone the way add value to the token price.

To avoid trouble with content which may be protected by some sort of legal status (especially market data for indices or other financial instruments), we should focus on data which is in the public domain. Should we need to use data not in the public domain (for example, for movies and television), we need to source the data properly.

While it's true that all we do on Hive is on blockchain and blockchain is forever (at least until that asteroid with Earth's name on it arrives), a better way to ensure our legacy on Hive is to contribute to a project such as one of these references. If our contributions to such a project help make life better for someone else-- even a no-coiner-- then we added value to that person's life. If our contributions add value to both the lives of others as well as to our communities on Hive, then we all win.


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EDIT: I Repurposed This Comment Into An Aricle.

So, this is the first time I learn the word Almanac, I looked it up and saw some examples of Almanac book, but can you give me an example of what an Almanac page on Hive would look like?

Would the Hive-powered almanac be one you would use yourself as your go-to resource? What needs to happen to make it one?

To use Hive for any type of reference as my Go-to resource, I think these things need to happen:

  • They must be heavily hyperlinked. Look at Wikipedia for example, each page will take you to every related one.
  • They must have all the info (excluding the sources) on the same website/blockchain.
  • They must be on an extremely fast interface.
  • I want to be able to easily link to the references:
    • Users must be able to see all the info without registering or paying.
    • The links for these references must be intuitive & standardized. Users should be able to predict the link URL just by knowing the name of the thing they want the reference for.
  • In case of DRAMA, each "side" should have their own page of the reference material. These pages should be linked to each other but otherwise don't interact with each other. That way, the reader can & should choose which "truth" they want to believe in.

I can think of other things, but if you want me to use a website like a reference it must be much easier to do than using Wikipedia, and that's not an easy task.

It can help if the reference is only found at Hive, like the Leopedia you mentioned, and @savvyplayer's D.Buzz list of bugs.

@magnacarta.buzz @taskmaster4450le

Earlier today I was looking for examples of almanacs to show you or whose links I could give you. For both the search results and I found and for browser-related reasons, my reply to you will get the #CGW treatment. It's just as well since it was going to be longer than a buzz, anyway.

!hivebits

Haha, link to that reply if you posted it yet?

It took me a day to make my original post, so it will be a day or two before I can "reply" again. I can write quickly, but graphics take me a long time even if I have a concept ready. Whenever it is done, I will give you a mention.

!hivebits

What would an almanac page look like on Hive? I haven't thought that far ahead. I've only been on Hive for nearly a year, so I have to think other Hivers (or Steemians before ID4 2020) have tossed around the idea of a wiki version of Wikipedia.

The final version would be a wiki-type reference available with read-only access to the world while posting and editing is done by people with Hive accounts. Data entry would be posts published using a dedicated tag indicating content for the wiki-ref. This way Hivers earn for their posts. After a while, these posts get offloaded to a dedicated wiki space where they are formatted for whatever the wiki-ref needs to look like.

Posts published to Hive blockchain will be available to the world read-only as expected. Content migrated to wiki-ref space will be available to the world read-only through another link. Editing is left to holders of Hive accounts.

The body content for each wiki/ref article would contain mainly links to Hive content, but if an external link is required then it gets included. Footnotes would be where most external links reside.

Links should come in 2 forms, one interchangeable with the other:

  • Standardized link containing dates, topics, etc.
  • SEO-optimized links

Since "drama" would occur during the editing process after a post is published, a distinction needs to be made here:

  • Presentation of alternative views which are just as provable as the original view can be presented as a separate page or section of a page. After all (3+2=5) is true, but so are (4+1=5) and (5+0=5). When different views are true, they can be presented or at least linked to.
  • Personality conflicts, flame wars, trolling, etc, is what I meant by "drama," and this is what the wiki-refs do not need.

When I wrote this post, I was thinking at a very high level about what it would be like. Just your comment and my reply here show that there is much more we need to consider before we (whoever ends up working on this should it go forward) can get to work on making the wiki-ref a working prototype.

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Yeah, I noticed that you were speaking at a high level, but I couldn't help to go in more detail in my reply. This is interesting, but I don't think there's enough return with the current Hive value for it to be practical yet.

That seems to be the case. No matter how good the idea is, it has to be worth it before it can proceed.

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If we can't bring Hivebeepedia to life, can we at least bring online a topic-specific Hive-powered almanac or database?

I am honestly asking. Even if we create such a thing, how many people would actually read it? Is there real demand for it? Is it worth to put the effort into it?

As with much that concerns Hive, few people know about it. Although it's known to more Hivers now than a year ago, Hivelist is still unknown to many of us.

Is there a demand for it? Outside Hive, likely not. Is there a demand for it among our fellow Hivers? Maybe there is and maybe there isn't; we don't know.

One of the complaints I see a lot about Hive is why it doesn't get love from the crypto community while other platforms get more press or community members. Splinterlands has been carrying Hive on its back since at least August 2021, but it can only do so much. Blockchain gaming is going to reach the next level on Hive with initiatives from the 1UP Cartel, Team PIZZA, Psyberx/LVL, Pollen Loop network/PLN, and others I don't know about. These will help more people discover Hive.

Even so, I don't know what else we can do to give Hive a higher profile so there is more demand not just for HIVE/HBD but also for Hive dApps. All I know is that as a Hiver, I would rather support our community by using its offerings rather than continuing to patronize services from Big Tech. If Hive lacks a service (such as tokenized search), then I would rather use a Web3 service such as Presearch over a Big Tech service. I can't be the only Hiver who feels this way, although I may be one of 9.

We would also need to know how many Hivers would be willing to be part of a "dev team" to make a project a reality. I use the term loosely here because it will be not just the coders and techs who bring the platform to life but also the content providers who publish the posts which serve as raw material for the content to be "mined" by people who massage it into wiki-ready content. Then there is the investing aspect.

You raise excellent questions in your reply, and they need to be answered well enough before we can answer with "Yes, such a project is worth our time and funding" or "No, the ROI isn't worth it in either money or time."

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If it becomes big enough, I can imagine there being a demand for it. So, I guess the answer is "No" since you need demand in the first place for people to spend time making it big.

I think an Index of Hive Articles (per niche) is the closest thing that will have demand here since people will want their posts to be indexed in it.

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Hivebeepedia sounds great and while we are at it, how about a Hive.cord to replace heavily censored Discord?

Given the concern many Hivers have for decentralization, I still find it surprising that Discord is the preferred off-chain tool for real-time communication, especially when an alternative such as Element is available. Then again, it may be a holdover from the pre-Hive days when many Hivers were previously part of the Steemit community.

"Hivebeepedia"-- my name for the hypothetical wiki encyclopedia on Hive blockchain-- could work, but first enough interest for it needs to be generated for it before any developers can be assembled to begin work on it. No interest, no effort, and therefore no resources.

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