This is me the pot calling the kettle black, but I must say I'm finding the trending pages on leofinance a little lacking in diversity ATM.
Because what I'm mainly seeing is posts ABOUT LEO AND HIVE and not much else.
The top six posts on trending:
- About LEO
- About Hive
- LEGITIMATE - about LTC, good post!
- A @trumpman shitpost - literally a cut and paste of a news headline and c'est tout
- Dcity, I know a lot of LEO whales like it, but it's still Hive
- LEO.
Admittedly there are a few decent posts about crypto more generally sneaking in lower down, but it's mostly LEO, LEO, DCITY, HIVE, back to LEO.
There are also a tiny handful of people who are actually really annoying me as it seems they've joined LEO and all they ever do is write about how great LEO is. Actually it's not so much them, it's seeing them make it to trending all the time!
ENOUGH PLEASE WHALES! I know people can do what they like with their stake, but I think the trending pages need to have more in them than just platform centric posts!
We've currently got TWO posts in trending which are THE SAME - IS THERE REALLY THAT LITTLE CONTENT WORTH READING ON LEO?
The last straw (and what promoted this post) was seeing one of JRcornel's posts which was basically a repeat of @empodorat's post about Brave ads (he did credit it so no criticism there) get upvoted to the same level as the original.
The next five posts, meaning 2/10 top trending posts aren't about LEO.
NB That post about Brave, while about LEO, I thought was actually GOOD, so that kind of out of the box thinking about the obvious with a call to action I think is great, very not the kind of 'look how great leo is' post or 'look how much I've powered up' post that I'd rather not see on trending.
If I'd have signed up with Facebook and everyone was just talking about Facebook I'd run a mile.
NB - I am very aware that I write a lot about how great LEO is too, and the reason this annoys me is that I probably hate myself for doing it, but honestly guys, or should I say 'lions' (that seems to be a sure fire way of getting to trending these days) we can do better - let's try and find some 'other' content to whack our votes on rather than the easy stuff about LEO!
Oh and feel free to take an irony-appreciation moment, yes this post is about LEO!
Maybe we need a few simple contests like @blocktrades runs on Hive, to encourage non Hive and LEO content (that doesn't need incentivising) which whales guarantee to vote on with a certain percentage?!?
I'd just rather be seeing some more diverse content on trending!
Of course by the time you check trending yourself, things may have changed - maybe my view is just luck of the time-draw, and a couple of hours could make all the difference.
Or maybe this is just an interim period where we're all high on LEO and over-rewarding because we're pumped.
But I still see the same on Hive - lots of pots about Hive, quite mediocre ones, getting good rewards compared to some pretty decent non-Hive content - I'd rather NOT see LEO go down that route!
NB I excluded Trumpman's cut and paste job from the T10 in this analysis, I mean we all love him, but come on!
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I 100% agree with this. Couldn't help noticing it and it left a bad taste in my mouth ( reminds me of Hive and formerly Steemit ).
Nevertheless, I myself plead a little bit guilty too ( especially with my latest Leo post ) and I agree that what we often don't like in others are part of ourselves that we struggle with ( mirror effect ).
I like the suggestion of @forexbrokr to be able to toggle between "leofinance.io/forex leofinance.io/stocks leofinance.io/personal-finance etc etc ... Made purely for featuring outward facing content that we are proud to promote"
My Leofinance posts would probably fall in the personal finance section as I'm not much of a stock expert or even a crypto expert compared to most big boys on here. I am though compared to most people I meet in real life and I have a story to share.
Thanks for putting into words what I have been thinking for a while now.
Bom fim de semana!
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I think we're all guilty of writing too much about LEO!
I'm trying to vote more non LEO content!
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I will try to write more non LEO content but felt that if I would, I would probably not get any votes and attention and interaction is the air that I breathe ( especially in 2020 ).
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Thats a grate input.
I tried to onbird some friends, they all went away because of nit to much vontent deversity snd to much statistics etc...
Thats why I try to diverse my posts and rarly wright about hive.
!BEER for the diversity 🍀
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That's sad news about your friends - but I can understand it - i spent my first year on Hive seeing mediocre posts about Hive get large upvotes when I wasn't part of the club, it was grim.
It takes real commitment to stick with it when faced with relative injustice like that!
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Yeah, I feel you, been there two. Ethen more important to spread awarness also for the curators.
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all the best to you 🍀
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BEER.This is my say since months! To attract outsiders, we need to have more content which is of general interest, not only for Hive/LEO stakeholders! Thanks for emphasizing this message!
Also disappointing that so few participated in my poll about Bitcoin! But it´s not too late! Please show how strong this community is by answering this simple question!
https://leofinance.io/hive-167922/@stayoutoftherz/how-many-bitcoin-do-you-own
I missed your poll, also though people do like to be discrete about their holdings!
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No prob, and there is an option "I don´t want to disclose"
Well I think the dust will settle with time. I try to give my best with leo, content wise I could say I'm doing fair enough. I write contents on advertising and well public relations and finance. Hopefully with time other finance based except hive or leo or crypto will gain traction. Not yet for me anyway
I think your content is one of those that is broader, keep up the good work!
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Promisse to do more non hive and non leo posts.
Just dont expect me to cut them in total. Not possible :)
Do your thing man, no one should dictate what topics you should address and post about. There's always a mute and follow button at hand for folks that don't appreciate your content. I've used both on Hive a lot, and still using them... Once one makes use of them the feed and trending page become really clean. I get @revise.leo's point but don't agree entirely with it, and although I have diversified content on my blog I still can resonate with folks that have a niche.
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Thanks!
Ill certainly will continue do do my thing! Digging trough Hive data in a lot of different ways!
Just might add some eth, btc posts here and there. Also Uniswap :)
It's your blog man...
I basically agree with you, I think you got the point that i'm not telling people to stop with the LEO content, as you say, it's their blog!
Just a call for more diverse content! And for people to look to upvote it, the second really more than the former.... otherwise the only market for adverts is going to be for lEO adverts, and that would be kind of odd!
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And @acesontop - actually I think your LEO and Hive related content is some of the best out there, so defo don't stop - in fact I'd like to see more of it.
The post wasn't meant as a criticism of people who do LEO related content at all, just a lamentation about the lack of current diversity!
By all means thought - more stuff about crypto in general from you is very welcome!
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Thanks. I am not that much of a crypto geek you know. I'm better at interpreting things rather than talking tech and TA. I was reticent at the beginning to post on leo, but to my amazement I hit the trending page yesterday for the first time and I was amazed to see how many people were resonating with my logic, feelings and ideas. I respect your post though and the bell that you rang but my posts are not concentrated on a niche and will never be, I'm not the person to do that, and that one that you mentioned about in this post is not dedicated to LEO, it's somehow about my experience with this blockchain, my likes and dislikes, disappointments and what motivates me to go further.
Yes I liked it, I can't really criticise anyone for writing about Hive, blockchain etc, about 30% of my content, maybe more is about just that.
I have this theory that what annoys me about my friends I find annoying because I have the same traits myself, that's this post I just wrote.
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You make fair points, except for my post which of course is awesome. Cause its mine.
To share some thoughts on my curation. I try my best to curate everybody posting through the interface. But I take various things under consideration, other than just post quality. Let's take @forexbrokr for example. His posts aren't the best! BUT he is doing some serious work, promoting leofinance on twitter and quora and other shit. That's why I usually give him higher votes compared to other people making "better" posts. Same applies to people that post non hive/leo stuff, usually I give them higher votes, especially if the don't post everyday, like @beehivetrader. Unfortunately, the problem with spreading my votes thin is that I rarely give somebody a good push. But I think with time, as the wealth is spread more and more this will fix itself. Also I generally avoid upvoting at all people that have a big stake. At all. Cause if leo becomes a succeed they and I will be rich anyways.
Being a whale means that people vote me, regardless of quality, hoping I will vote them in return and they gain my favor or whatever. To an extent, that's true (because they get an extra chance to get noticed by me) but generally I don't give a shit. Unfortunately, that's an inherent problem with PoS and I can't think of a way to solve it. Other than not posting. Call me greedy, but I think I deserve one self vote on my posts a day.
In the meantime I will keep doing what I do. Shitposting, spreading the wealth, shill leo everywhere I can and onboard as many users as I can. This is how I have fun here :)
Let's pamp it!
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My post frequency went a bit down TBH, because of a project I'm working on... :(
Good point here, worth considering....
When I first joined Hive, I thought of solving the PoS problem you mentioned, but unfortunately most of them were not feasible enough...
It somewhat meant a complete change in the existing protocol, conflict of interest and all, which may even result in a community split, hardfork, chain split and stuff (whatever, maybe), so I personally feel there should be some other solution to avoid those issues... LEt's see, maybe we all can brainstorm on this sometime :)
That's an interesting trail of upvotes ?!?! 😂
Actually, it already has to a point. A full vote from me used to be worth over 30 leo.I keep powering up, yet yesterday it was only 23 ;)
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And one final point, length isn't necessarily better. I doubt there are many people on leo atm that can deliver the content @forexbrokr does, long or short. Apologies for going a bit off topic.
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They are the best.
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I actually quite like your strategy, it's blunt but effective!
Hopefully that post didn't come across as too critical of you, i just reported on what I saw in that snap shot of time!
You're a LEO legend, also responsible for one of the best initiatives IMO - the shitty investment challenge, that was a great one!
Top Marks for your work on Blurt too btw!
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haha, don't worry. I even learned some french!!!!
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I agree with this, 100%. We can’t control what people post or how people vote, but I really like the idea of running different initiatives to target certain topics. Now that we have metamask onboarding, we need to make content that continuously targets niches in the Ethereum ecosystem so we can get clicks back to the site and signups.
I’m working on some official stuff like this, but also would like to see users running initiatives too. If anyone wants to do it and is looking for some backing for prizes, I’m game.
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As we've seen throughout the great Steem experiment, purely trending/hot pages don't work.
However, your manually chosen "featured" section at the top of the new LeoFinance interface has been a great success.
Can we easily just make leofinance.io/forex leofinance.io/stocks leofinance.io/personal-finance etc etc with a manually chosen featured section at the top? Made purely for featuring outward facing content that we are proud to promote?
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That's a great idea, and a relatively simple 'tweak' I think!
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Well posts about Ethereum/ Defi should do very well indeed - both of interest to people on here already, and 'out there'.
We've got potential here to give out some really generous prizes for top quality articles too.
Have you ever spoken to @starkerz btw - he's got some interesting ideas viz getting businesses onboard - the line is to tell them if they power up they can pay people to write content for them and reward them in votes - combine that with more rewards from already high powered users, it could be quite effective.
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Thanks for always showing the much needed commitments to move LEO forward. Cheers!
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Just upvoted. At full.
Because this post is about LEO 😃😃😃
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Irony is best shared after all!
Talking about sharing I've had more replies to this post than possibly any other post I've written, which is nice, lots of constructive discussion.
Cheers!
I just accidentally clicked on the ad trying to reply this, more revenue I guess!
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Hahaha!
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lol hahaha
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I admit that out of my 12 posts I have published during these past 6 days (since I became a "lion"), 11 of them have been about LEO or Hive in some sense. 2 of them have been "power up posts". Personally, I would say that the majority of my posts so far have value, because the end goal have been to educate, encourage and/or inspire people to market LEO and Hive in a better way than we're used to see. It is also due to the fact that I feel motivated, encouraged and I have quickly become a huge fan of LEO. (Everything I have published has not reached the trending pages though).
The same goes for the posts about engagement & self-votes. I have focused much on the importance of engagement because I truly don't want to see LEO go down the same route as both Steem and Hive. Engagement matters, and I have showcased my own results and I've been talking about it because of that, and to kick-start some more engagement.
That being said, I totally agree with the things you said. I don't want to see 10 out of 10 LEO posts sitting on trending, even though I actually believe that some of these posts are good to have on trending as they are literally the first articles a new user will see. I mean, some sort of "testimonials" to prove that LEO is a great thing is nice for new users to see, regardless of how much advertising they've seen.
I often push my content outside of LEO and Hive as well, so having "information-type" of articles about LEO/Hive is perfect when it comes to advertising, but it obviously depends on how you do things. A well-written article about "PayPal going crypto" could just as easily be promoted if done right. That would draw attention from the masses as well..
On a side note though, it's easy to write stuff about something when it either flourish or burns. The middle-ground doesn't really attract content consumers. And for new LEO users, writing about LEO is probably one of the easiest things you can do.
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It wasn't meant as a criticism of anyone who writes content about Hive/LEO - Lord knows at least 30% of my content is about the platform!
And I like your content, I like content about Hive/ Leo - I'm just thinking about it from an outsider's perspective.
NB your own posts about Hive/ Leo may not make trending, but there's about a dozen people whose posts would make trending if they just copied and pasted your, or my stuff for that matter.
That's probably a bigger problem that needs nipping in the bud asap as well!
People should be rewarded for pushing content outside - it adds value, and I've nothing against LEO/ Hive posts being duly rewarded - it's interesting to write and read about.
It would just be nice to see some broader content getting 100-200 LEO worth of votes!
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I think this is to be expected during the early days. People get excited about the networks they have personal stake in. Lots of Meta-Conversation takes place.
Also, I don't think it's fair to call Dcity: Hive.
Anything built on Hive is Hive?
Does that mean Link, Maker, and every other ERC-20 token are Ethereum?
Yes fair point, hence why I'm not too critical when people do it, and i do it myself of course!
I know people like Dcity, but to me it seems like the most Hive centric game there is - very much people who have made a bit on Hive. Leo or Splinterlands pumping in money, and Bernie of course.
I think Exode may have done more to bring people into Hive, and that isn't even playable yet!
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That's a good question about the ERC-20 tokens, I'll have to think about that!
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@edicted always out there delivering. I think that we on hive just like to read too much about hive itself. Getting out of this meta would be awesome.
@edicted probably offers us more value than anyone - all you have to do is watch what he invests in and don't invest in it your self, and you'll save yourself thousands!
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From all my chats with edicted, its always looked like he's a long term man rather than short term. Take the $1k loss now to turn a 20k profit in a few years.
Well I hope he's right, I can't claim to have not invested in what he's invested in.
I've got a few thousand KOIN now for example, mainly thanks to his obsession!
We shall see...
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I approve this message.
Historically this is an excellent strategy.
If only I could employ it.
Although you got it SPOT ON with LEO!
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Or maybe watch what @edicted invests in, wait for it to crash 50%, then invest in it and hold?!?
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This shout for awake to a financial reality is much needed and long overdue.
One domain that I would like to see more - although I can name two authors consistently writing on - would be stocks market, trading tips and analysis. I thought that this would be a big part of this community but doesn't seem to be so.
Another thing is for people to share more from their own experiences, to give some points to others to earn and not just keep secrets. A community is build on sharing and giving, if we will not wrap our minds around this and provide really useful information we will not be a healthy ecosystem in time.
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Lol I hardly post about LEO and HIVE but it doesn't pay off as much as posting about LEO and HIVE if I look at my returns, so I guess people feel that pinch and try to play into it. Additionally, a lot of posts I see aren't even your personal take on something, it's literally repurposing news, like at least give your own angle.
Unforutaltey, your post complaining about it talks about LEO/HIVE gets on the top spots, so clearly its a bias of note. I think that perhaps a rewarding premium on non-leo/hive posts should be considered when curating.
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I will take in mind what you're saying there. It's true :)
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I agree...Trending page greets the new comers. So it needs a bit diversity.
One way to have diversity is whales up-voting the diverse content based on a broad spectrum, other than just circle voting each other.
I am planing to start creating some basic crypto stuff for the beginners. But I doubt it will reach trending... :)
Regards
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I think, it will be good to call out what kind of diversified content we are looking for - and even commit to reward them. People do better when given goals, instead of just telling them to come up with something that may make the feed better.
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Agreed. Leo whales are active to send massage on other crypto posts using the Leofinance tag but when they vote on a post, they preferred few people again and again. I post about Crypto's new game Rabona in the Leo community, I got a message that only Leo and Hive related stuff accepted on leofinace.
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Oh Hive content is very welcome, but it's certainly not the only content you can put out!
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Spot on. The platform centricity is something is understandable on Hive and particular before Communities were launched. But here it is actually necessary to post and start heavily rewarding posts about something else.
I'm hoping it's just 'cos it's taking off and everyone's pumped, but I think for LEO to pump, we do need broader content!
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not a lot seems to have changed, doe it? (ex steem).
The system reward mediocrity, 'middle of the road', and nepotism - still.
This will kill the token value - who comes and joins 'boring'?
(Im doing my bit, honest! lol)
Well one thing your content isn't is boring, that is for sure! Keep up the quirkiness I say!
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The first one in the first screenshot is mine and if you read it it's actually about steem, hive and leo, not just leo as you rated it. It's true that diversification is more appealing, but that's leofinance and that's what people are posting about, what can one do. It used to be the same with hive and it will probably be the same with every new and hyped app that the blockchain will host in the future...
Of course, lets all ass kiss blocktrades and theycallmedan, for some leftover upvotes, and participate in their initiatives, writing about whatever topics they wish and act like pupils in school... That would be great.
I always hated trends and following them, and will always do. If bloggers around here don't have that much imagination to write their own posts on their own topics and are satisfied with just following trails and trends, be it, we deserve our situation then.
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I did read your post, it was OK, pretty much like my own story! It's still platform centric though - I don't begrudge your place at the top of trending btw, and as I commented earlier, I'm not against LEO posts, what prompted it was that 'double repeat post' of empoderat's more than anything - which i actually thought was one of the best posts I've read this week, but the repeat reward, that irritated me.
Keep on posting what you do, I'm not even saying I won't upvote you if it's about LEO and I like it!
But trending and even just 'recent' have looked VERY repetitive recently.
As you say I'm sure that will change.
As to the 'competition' - or 'paying' people for writing good content with upvotes, that's potentially one of the main reasons why people might come in and stake several hundred thousand LEO - so there might be legs in it, it's not about sucking up to people at all.
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I hope Leo starts a new wave of communities, but honestly, the idea is great, yet the content is utterly hopeless - circle jerking is probably more fun if you are doing it rather than just watching it...
Well I didn't want to use that emotive circle term myself, but when you look at the same old same old on trending, it's difficult to defend the platform against the accusation.
And 'people can vote for who they like' isn't a defence - because if it is perceived to be CJerking - people aren't going to stick around!
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Leofinance integrating Metamask and trying to onboard other network people so maybe these people like to read about Ethereum gaming review or Bitcoin news or even PayPal crypto adoption news etc but on Leofinance trending mostly have Leo related stuff.
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I'm game! I write an article a day, usually on topics including how-tos, troubleshooting, and often some key financial tips which have helped me. Let's diversify!
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Spot on.
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