Just under a few words

in OCD6 days ago

The week of work horror continues, but I don't really want to spend time talking about that, so instead will see what else comes to mind with a free, freewrite. I pretty much only freewrite and let my thoughts flow and the posts that are the hardest are the ones that require formatting and pasting images, as doing so breaks my thoughts a lot. While some people don't like reading or writing all that much, for me it is generally a joy of sorts, not easy - but rewarding.

Time is always one thing I don't seem to have enough of and while I am relatively productive, it does take its toll on me in various ways, but it is something I am willing to do for the most part. I struggle to get off of my posts in the comments sections these days, but I do try to get to everyone who comments on my own work.

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On this note, there are differences in the way people comment, where some are short, some a re long, some are well thought out, some are more the throwaway kind of comment, saying something related, but not really adding too much to what has already been said. I prefer the ones that add on top the content I create in some way, even if it is just some wittiness, but all comments are welcome, although not all comments are going to demand all of my attention.

do you remember at school where a math teacher would say something along the lines of "Math is the most important subject, so you will need to do an hour of homework a night for it" - and then the science teacher, physics teacher, English, geography, art, PE and woodwork teachers would all say the same thing and set too much homework. Some people comment like this.

While it is a bit quieter around here at the moment, I met a guy in Poland at Fest3 that was upset at me because I didn't reply to one of his comments. Commenting is something that I have been pretty active with over the years and even the animal that is @Taskmaster4450 has 12K less comments than me on his two accounts combined. My brother @galenkp who has been even more animalistic for years in engaging has less, though he is catching me fast and is only a couple thousand behind now. I am also not the "one word" kind of engagers either - I put my effort in when I can. But I do miss replying to some real comments occasionally - I have a couple jobs and a family to consider also.

One of the cool things about Hive is that is is possible to talk directly with the authors (if they care enough to respond) and build up personal relationships built below the posts. The challenge is at times for an author though is that it can sometimes get like that school situation, where everyone believes that their comment is worthy of time, which it may very well be, but time is always limited. I know that some people also like to post walls of text on every comment they make, but it is rare that anyone has the bandwidth to reply well in response, making the person's effort feel unrewarded. On hive, it is unsatisfying to comment on someone's work you appreciate and not get a reply - it feels like being ignored.

While I have been saying this for years, one day I really do hope that instead of the author replying directly, the comment section becomes an ecosystem of its own, an organic living animal that is first inspired by the post above and then organically shifts through the user base below. I think there is a massive amount of community value in encouraging that kind of interaction and I am hoping that getting rid of the voting curve as well as the voting window in the upcoming fork (perhaps two months away at a guess) will make engagement valuable again.

I have voted on comments for 90% of my time on the blockchain already, as I think it is an additional use case for Hive as well as a distribution mechanism to those who might want to participate actively, but don't necessarily want to post all that much, or at all. I think that people posting is kind of a weird thing on Hive, though I understand it in terms of earning potential.

What I have noticed with my centralized-social-media-loving friends, is that they don't actually post very much anymore, but they still spend their time flicking through, mindlessly consuming. My neighbor was saying how she only looks at gardening pages on Instagram, but occasionally scrolls through her friend's feeds and likes some images out of a sense of obligation. People are changing their behavior no and many are looking for content that actually brings them value.

I think that Hive has a huge amount of potential in this area, especially since it is possible to reward consumers, both if they stake-in and choose to curate, or actively participate in the discussions under the posts. I am going to try and be more mindful of the comments I get and go back and scroll through and reward those who comment on the comments of others - especially after the hardfork.

I hope more will do the same and start seeing that it isn't only staking that is valuable, building community relationships through interaction is a big part of the success model and we have an incentive mechanism through comment voting to encourage it - Soon, it will be far better for everyone who is looking to participate with words, both in posts and comments and I hope that it will feel different around here, especially as price increases.

No one is really entitled to anything on Hive, other than what their keys control, and this includes replies to comments. However, I also think that authors are earning on their posts and if they want to keep doing so, they best show appreciation for their audience, rather than contempt like some seem to do.

At the end of the day, I believe that unless the content is very unique and only available on Hive, content alone only has a limited amount of value, so for those looking to earn on their content and Hive in general, value-adding is an effective strategy. There are many ways to do this, including commenting, replying, voting and building decent relationships, but you will have to do your homework and find a strategy that works for you, given your skills and wills. Everyone is different.

And that is what is good about Hive too, there are so many different kinds of people, all here kind of working together toward building something valuable, for themselves as well as perhaps by default, for others too. Because of the diversity, the community will continually evolve and change over time, as things come in and out of fashion, on and off line trends change, society moves in various directions. The great thing about building a lasting community is, the longer it lasts, the more diversity of behavior it can hold, the more cultures and sub cultures that will form and spread and the more inclusion will be possible.

But if nobody talks - not much happens at all.

Taraz
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Very true about the potential here. Both you and your bother are engagement animals that is for sure.

It is to make up for a lack of animal in the bedroom - like driving a Lamborghini ;D

lol ; I will leave it at that then ...

... I can buy you an inflatable sheep if you need an animal in the bedroom :D

We have a whole menagerie of blow-up animals.

@tipu curate :)

Yes, I understand your write up but at times some comments need to be swept under carpet so as to give room for the well meaningful ones.
Keep up the good work.....

Yes they do - I just ignore those for the most part these days :)

I've seen a lot of the dump and run authors form other platforms, and also from just Hive that do not take the time to even respond to two or three comments on their post. I myself do not mind if I get a response or not, however if I see the same author over and over completely ignoring the comments on their post, then those people I have a tendency to not Vote or comment on.

To me Hive is a social site, if the author responds to a few people, then I can see that as at least trying to be involved on Hive. Toss them a vote raise their comment up and let people know you at least try to read comments. I and others understand that 200 standalone comments can be a lot, so even a few replies are greatly appreciated by the commentators even if they did not receive a comment back, we at least are left with the perception that an effort was made. After all if the Author is not interested in seeing the results of his/her post, why would the audience be interested in seeing their work?

At times I have a tendency for long comments, but I also try to comment on other comments that catch my eye if I have time. Like you and your brother and a few others I have even tried to save a few votes out for comment voting. Not many yet but a few every now and then.

if I see the same author over and over completely ignoring the comments on their post, then those people I have a tendency to not Vote or comment on.

Yes - I agree. Save the votes for Hive people :)

I think that after the next HF, the active people interested in engagement will be able to encourage quite a lot of activity with a few small comment votes around the place and hopefully, it is times well with a large drive in price. Could make a huge difference for some accounts.

You are one of the most active engagers on the platform and always add something of value - It annoys me a bit when I scroll back and realize I have missed your comments.

It never annoys me that a comment of mine is missed, not all comments need replies, and those that don't get replied to can have lots of reasons like simply getting lost in all the comment stream.

Agree wholeheartedly. Comments on Facebook are drying right up.
I've found I often read a post, start composing a reply in my head, and then just not bother.
I remember a few years ago, I'd post a thinkpiece and my replies would go bananas as dozens of people would weigh in. I assumed I'd been shadowbanned for posting crypto/Steem/Hive stuff; but I've noticed the same with a heap of different friends' posts. Controversial or mundane, we're just not engaging.
I think the novelty's worn off and the energy's gone. Either we've worked out that it's manipulated and pointless or we're each spending more time on different, competing sites.

I've found I often read a post, start composing a reply in my head, and then just not bother.

I think many are doing this, where the discussion is had internally, but not a "real" discussion. Where does it lead, other than a higher risk of doubling down on already held thoughts?

Either we've worked out that it's manipulated and pointless or we're each spending more time on different, competing sites.

Both I suspect - the sites that are just consume with little thought probably do okay - The "cute hair/ dress/ bag" kind of stuff.

everyone believes that their comment is worthy of time

Mine are usually aimed to just lighten a mood or hopefully bring a smile so it doesn't bother me if it gets read and not responded to ;D

Though I don't mind getting skipped over even if there is something I wanted a response to when the comment section is busy, sometimes things just get missed or there's not enough mental bandwidth to deal with everything.

they best show appreciation for their audience, rather than contempt like some seem to do.

Do you think it's more contempt than say ignorance?

Mine are usually aimed to just lighten a mood or hopefully bring a smile so it doesn't bother me if it gets read and not responded to

And it is because of this I am obligated to reply ;D

sometimes things just get missed or there's not enough mental bandwidth to deal with everything.

I miss a fair bit I guess, but I try to come back to things in a timely manner, though often it is not possible. Trying counts, right? :D

Do you think it's more contempt than say ignorance?

Some have done it for years, despite having it pointed out over and over. A lot of the accounts that dump posts do nothing else than the post on Hive, links are external sources and the post itself is likely automated.

NUUUUUUUUUUUU respond because you want to not because you feel obligated XD

Trying absolutely counts. And length of time doesn't bother me much, I'm used to any conversation that isn't face to face potentially taking ages. I only get mildly surprised when something that's maybe months or years old suddenly generates a comment.

Hm, I can see where your thoughts are coming from in that/those case/s O_O

Geeeez ... I have to respond again!

[abruptly shuts up]

[oh snap] XD

Hello.

The truth is I congratulate you for having so many comments, it was bad that you had the misunderstanding with the person to whom you did not reply the comment and they were upset.

Personally, I think that you do not have an obligation to respond to all of us and we should not bother about that.

The comments are the expression of the affection we have for your work and effort, you have a lot of it because your work is phenomenal. I know that as an author you want to give everyone the response time but think about the celebrities, if they will spend it answering each of the comments of their fans. When would they make the new content? Will it be as good as the one we are used to consuming? Time is valuable, you decide how to invest it.

Time is valuable, you decide how to invest it.

This is where a lot of people make a mistake, because they do not well consider what is worth investing time into.

While I have been saying this for years, one day I really do hope that instead of the author replying directly, the comment section becomes an ecosystem of its own, an organic living animal that is first inspired by the post above and then organically shifts through the user base below.

Well, I'm afraid that's not gonna happen any time soon as long the main and true interest behind the commenters will remain being to get a bigger/fatter/juicer upvote from the authors. };)

And yeah, let's see what is gonna happen after the HF25 and the long awaited changes with the curation voting curve.

Because of the diversity, the community will continually evolve and change over time, as things come in and out of fashion, on and off line trends change, society moves in various directions.

Very few times this remark has been better said. :)

Well, I'm afraid that's not gonna happen any time soon as long the main and true interest behind the commenters will remain being to get a bigger/fatter/juicer upvote from the authors.

Well, the next hardfork will help them get that.

Yep! and let's hope they can find those longing greasy prizes from everyone else besides the authors.

Appreciating your audience, even when the audience is 1 person or 100, means a lot. Feedback coming from a sense of obligation is the worse as it doesn't add up anything to the author-reader relationship and you might as well just scroll blindly, it is the same

There are plenty of commenting animals in here hahaha very voracious and always hungry to comment. Funnily enough, that is a good thing. Because without feedback we would all just hear echo on our posts.

Perhaps it is more important when the audience is one person - as there is a social proofing element to it and the first follower has to arrive before the second.

Feedback coming from a sense of obligation is the worse as it doesn't add up anything to the author-reader relationship and you might as well just scroll blindly, it is the same

Yep. There is a response form of "nice post" where the reply doesn't take any thought either. lame.

Because without feedback we would all just hear echo on our posts.

Most of the internet is people throwing up into the void - hoping for a reply that never comes - though they imagine it does.

Oh typing a "nice post" is something, I saw answers consisting just in emojis. Laziness at its best🙄👀😂

I am perhaps the opposite. I do respond to most comments on my post, but I can say I comment on many posts. But still somehow catch up to most social discussion here. Sometimes late, I admit, but I observe mostly. I honestly don't know how you or galen manage it. You say less sleep, but I am sure it is more than that. You are probably lot more productive compared to many others.

Sometimes, I read, move around hive, for hours, without really doing anything. I also play 2 games, depending of mood. Rabona and Splinterlands. My interest varies depending on my mood.

But I must say, right now is probably the most I have been active on hive.

Sometimes late, I admit, but I observe mostly.

Like this - or later? I have ben using https://engage.hivechain.app/ to try and catch up when I can :)

You say less sleep, but I am sure it is more than that. You are probably lot more productive compared to many others.

I average about 5h a night for the last 3 or 4 years - perhaps it isn't enough, but at this point, the "only way" I see myself being to take advantage of opportunities is to work at them - I get the sense that I don't have many great opportunities for financial security left in my life - may as well go for it.

I actually haven't tried the gaming on Hive, as I feel that if I do, I will get lost in it and spend too much time there. I love creating, but the pull of the consumer in me is always present, like being an ex-smoker.

You have been really active of latte - does it feel different?

Later perhaps in most cases..

Lately I easily spend 5H + on most days, but for me lots/most of it is off chain. Mostly due to my role in governance and politics :)

Also trying to elevate a community from a corner. I have been moderately successful with that.

@thejohalfiles should start posting thatd be pretty epic he made a lot of friends

get @thejohalfiles @surfyogi and @nathanmars and @ned can all post about something as simple as the hive foundation or hive t shirts and hats for all hive users

i would pay in hbd but only in hive or hbd, i refuse to pay some fucking fiat merchent crap to buy a t shirt

if no oen can sell me a simple t shirt for $20 in hive or even $30 thats sad i need a black hat with red hive logo or ill just go to the mall at lids and buy one

if we all wore hive shirts and hats wed all help so much more

i also had a leak in my house

this post is about water filtration right?

heating systems

i also had a leak in my house

this post is about water filtration right?