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Finally I've found some time to catch up and read few previously bookmarked posts.
Interesting choice of topic, I must admit. Long - but it was a good read :)
Epic has been fighting this battle for quite some time already: in August 2018 they removed the game from the Google Play Store as they were fed up with Google taking a 30% cut just like Apple.
Fair enough. 30% may be a lot for access to such a huge marketplace, however it's a fair price to pay - as long as other companies are treated same way by google/apple.
Epic does look like one of those businesses, which are focusing on maximizing their own profits and trying to use 3rd parties to their own benefit only. And making big deal about this issue, trying to portrait themselfs as a martyr.
All I can see is Epic promoting themselfs by attacking names of big brands, trying to play role of a hero. Which I consider "bullshit".
I do not like such a business behaviours.
One common objection to Epic's actions is "the App Store rules are clear. If someone doesn't accept them, they're always free to not publish the game there". That reasoning is fundamentally flawed because there are no alternatives to the App Store for publishing applications on iOS.
Personally, I FULLY support this reasoning. Apple cannot be abused simply because there are no other VERY POPULAR alternatives. Alternatives with solid traffic.
If I offer some unique services and my clients wouldn't be happy with my charges - then I should not be considered "guilty" and labeled as a "villain" simply because noone else is offering similar services. This is nonesense in my opinion.
We seem to have different views on this topic and I only hope I didn't upset you with my opinion.
Have a great weekend buddy. And welcome within PH.
Piotr
Hi @crypto.piotr, great to read you here. I believe it is very valuable to compare opinions, whether they are aligned or not, so thank you for sharing your thoughts.
All I can see is Epic promoting themselfs by attacking names of big brands, trying to play role of a hero. Which I consider "bullshit".
I agree: Epic has chosen to depict themselves as David against the Goliath of a corporation, which is an easy and cheap trick. It is also done out of mere opportunity, as Epic is really not on the verge of bankruptcy.
30% may be a lot for access to such a huge marketplace, however it's a fair price to pay - as long as other companies are treated same way by google/apple.
That is the pivotal point of this whole matter: apparently Apple is not treating all companies the same way. Amazon's example sticks out like a sore thumb: how come they were able to cut a zero-fee deal if rules are applied evenly? Before April 2020, no one did ever know such a thing was possible, and Apple's "established program" defense sounds weak and hastily put together. But don't get my word for it: now that the cat is out of the bag, newspapers and media outlets are pressuring Apple to obtain the same deal - and Cupertino has to face its own music. I'm very curious to see if Apple will put money where their mouth is.
Whatever the end result, Epic has got immense exposure and I have no doubt the B-side of this was always planned as a massive publicity stunt. Now, many who never ever heard about Fortnite will have known what it is - and more engagement invariably means more players.
@lucabarbera welcome to the ph community. And very nice article.
But 30% is a huge commission for any service that need to checkout. And everything can be easily solved by sitting and talking.
Ultimately, 30% is just the commission that has become customary because Apple introduced it (in 2011, for in-app subscriptions to magazines, newspapers and music apps) and everyone else followed. Most major digital stores today apply the same fee:
Business being business, everything boils down to agreements; and every agreement can be re-negotiated if either party believes it has the opportunity and sufficient leverage.
At the end of the day, Epic just wants to pay less to Apple for the privilege of hosting their game, under the assumption that finding the right compromise is mutually beneficial. And Apple being Apple, Epic knows very well that they would only react to a very hard push. Hence, all of this circus.
@lucabarbera before I say anything, I just want to use this medium to welcome you to this great community. You surely going to enjoy this great family.
Hello @lucabarbera
Welcome to the PH community.
Wow, this has been a very good post, it tells a good battle, a very well fought strategy against that technological giant, monopolized dpApple.
The monopoly allows them to take advantage, it's amazing how much money you can move from a game, I had no idea about this.
Thank you for sharing this truly relevant information, and it will certainly continue to be talked about. Welcome back.
Hello friend, first of all I must welcome you to our great community, excellent entry with this publication.
I think this fight will last for a long time, or it will be seen as the fight of ** "David against Goliath" **, we will see from the fence who wins and who loses, but for now they are losing the millions of users who cannot update the game.
By the way yesterday I read two news items that are somehow related,
They are selling iPhone with Fornite for 4,000 or 5,000 dollars, that is crazy in my opinion.
The other news Apple, the first company in the world to exceed a trillion dollars, the apple brand surpasses Amazon in this milestone and continues to grow, its competitors continue to fight but cannot reach their rhythm.
Hello @lucabarbera
Thank you for posting within our hive.
Please spare few minutes and read how project.hope is organized and learn about our economy.
That would help you understand more our goals and how are we trying to achieve them. Hopefully you will join our community and become strong part of it :)
Do you use telegram or discord? If you do then join our server and give me a shout. I would gladly share with you goals of our community and introduce to others from our team.
Our discord server: https://discord.gg/uWMJTaW
Hello @juanmolina, thank you for having me. Your post gave me the opportunity of learning about the community goals and economy, and put me on track for onboarding where I had the chance to conversate on Discord with @crypto.piotr. My experience of joining Project Hope has been actually smoother than joining Hive or Steem 😀
Don't mention it.
Dear @lucabarbera
Finally I've found some time to catch up and read few previously bookmarked posts.
Interesting choice of topic, I must admit. Long - but it was a good read :)
Fair enough. 30% may be a lot for access to such a huge marketplace, however it's a fair price to pay - as long as other companies are treated same way by google/apple.
Epic does look like one of those businesses, which are focusing on maximizing their own profits and trying to use 3rd parties to their own benefit only. And making big deal about this issue, trying to portrait themselfs as a martyr.
All I can see is Epic promoting themselfs by attacking names of big brands, trying to play role of a hero. Which I consider "bullshit".
I do not like such a business behaviours.
Personally, I FULLY support this reasoning. Apple cannot be abused simply because there are no other VERY POPULAR alternatives. Alternatives with solid traffic.
If I offer some unique services and my clients wouldn't be happy with my charges - then I should not be considered "guilty" and labeled as a "villain" simply because noone else is offering similar services. This is nonesense in my opinion.
We seem to have different views on this topic and I only hope I didn't upset you with my opinion.Have a great weekend buddy. And welcome within PH.
Piotr
Hi @crypto.piotr, great to read you here. I believe it is very valuable to compare opinions, whether they are aligned or not, so thank you for sharing your thoughts.
I agree: Epic has chosen to depict themselves as David against the Goliath of a corporation, which is an easy and cheap trick. It is also done out of mere opportunity, as Epic is really not on the verge of bankruptcy.
That is the pivotal point of this whole matter: apparently Apple is not treating all companies the same way. Amazon's example sticks out like a sore thumb: how come they were able to cut a zero-fee deal if rules are applied evenly? Before April 2020, no one did ever know such a thing was possible, and Apple's "established program" defense sounds weak and hastily put together. But don't get my word for it: now that the cat is out of the bag, newspapers and media outlets are pressuring Apple to obtain the same deal - and Cupertino has to face its own music. I'm very curious to see if Apple will put money where their mouth is.
I appreciate very much your kind and polite reply @lucabarbera
Welcome to our neighborhood PH.
I hope you enjoy it the content, there are many and of good quality.
I clearly understand that in these cases who earn the most capital and ability wins.
It is hard to predict what will come of all this, and I see it as a technique promotion, to win more buyers and deals from your game.
Good post, very intriguing, I hope to examine more about these themes
Thank you @reinaldoverdu, it's great to be here!
Whatever the end result, Epic has got immense exposure and I have no doubt the B-side of this was always planned as a massive publicity stunt. Now, many who never ever heard about Fortnite will have known what it is - and more engagement invariably means more players.
Yes, and more customers = More $$$, so in that sense is a nice businness.
@lucabarbera welcome to the ph community. And very nice article.
But 30% is a huge commission for any service that need to checkout. And everything can be easily solved by sitting and talking.
Keep up the good work and enjoy the community.
Ultimately, 30% is just the commission that has become customary because Apple introduced it (in 2011, for in-app subscriptions to magazines, newspapers and music apps) and everyone else followed. Most major digital stores today apply the same fee:
Source: Analysis Group, “Apple’s App Store and Other Digital Marketplaces”
Business being business, everything boils down to agreements; and every agreement can be re-negotiated if either party believes it has the opportunity and sufficient leverage.
At the end of the day, Epic just wants to pay less to Apple for the privilege of hosting their game, under the assumption that finding the right compromise is mutually beneficial. And Apple being Apple, Epic knows very well that they would only react to a very hard push. Hence, all of this circus.
Hello @lucabarbera.
Welcome to the Project Hope community, feel free to share content and interact with active community members.
Very good publication to debut in PH, greetings and thanks for being here.
Hi @carlos84, thank you for your warm welcome! I'm looking forward to completing my next post.
@lucabarbera before I say anything, I just want to use this medium to welcome you to this great community. You surely going to enjoy this great family.
Thank you @tfame3865! I'm glad to be here and I'm looking forward to contribute to the community.
Hello @lucabarbera
Welcome to the PH community.
Wow, this has been a very good post, it tells a good battle, a very well fought strategy against that technological giant, monopolized dpApple.
The monopoly allows them to take advantage, it's amazing how much money you can move from a game, I had no idea about this.
Thank you for sharing this truly relevant information, and it will certainly continue to be talked about. Welcome back.
Dear @lucabarbera
Hello friend, first of all I must welcome you to our great community, excellent entry with this publication.
I think this fight will last for a long time, or it will be seen as the fight of ** "David against Goliath" **, we will see from the fence who wins and who loses, but for now they are losing the millions of users who cannot update the game.
By the way yesterday I read two news items that are somehow related,
They are selling iPhone with Fornite for 4,000 or 5,000 dollars, that is crazy in my opinion.
The other news Apple, the first company in the world to exceed a trillion dollars, the apple brand surpasses Amazon in this milestone and continues to grow, its competitors continue to fight but cannot reach their rhythm.
I think we will have a lot of news about it.
Greetings from Venezuela. where hope is born.