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RE: UBI 101: Political Whims

in Threespeak6 years ago

Yes, i watched the content and i had some input. So, i started off talking about UBI going on 3 years now. I was advocating for it and speaking on it pre Andrew Yang i believe? Or atleast before he hit mainstream media and i knew anything about him. I dived deep into the complexities of UBI, i've listened to the greatest economist in the world on it.. who support it or don't. I don't know if it's an area of UBI i haven't studied extensively. If it is i'd be surprised.

So i've no doubt heard the point you're making now quite a bit. So almost like a autoscript my brain just kicks in oh okay we're going here. I think first i'd just say i agree with some of the points you raised. I'd say that i always start off my UBI conversations saying something to the sound of.. hey we've created now some of the best technology in the world. I'd prefer UBI be done on the blockchain and not at the government level. I think i could raise even more concerns than some your video does. However, the reality is more than likely UBI will occur at the government level before it really gets adoption on the blockchain. I think it will work on the blockchain however i just don't think it will pull the punch until the government does it with shortcomings and the blockchain communities figure out how to do it better. Similar to what's happening with our financial system today.

So let's get to your first whim or concern. The weaponization of ubi for political gain. So in our political system we've seen where programs administered through government can be used to control the actions of citizens or fear of being removed from the programs. This could follow along the lines of social security, welfare systems, housing and public needs programs.. whatever. So you step out of line and you get removed etc.,

It's a few assumptions raised here. The first is you've presented an either or situation which it is not in most modern day UBI ideas that's been expressed. As to say, the assumption is everyone receiving UBI would need or be destitute for UBI. That's not what UBI is. What that is.. refers to a welfare state program. So this is the confusion about UBI. UBI. is (universal). So that means the rich get it. the not so rich. the dirt poor .. the middle class. So i think the proper term should be citizen's dividend..As UBI is erroneously confused for a needy program for the poor.

So to have government control over ubi suggests that everyone needs to opt into ubi. The other thing is many ideas of ubi are opt in. UBI would be totally independent of social and welfare programs and taxes. So much of the time people present the either or situation. As to say everyone has stopped working and depend on their UBI check monthly. If they dont receive it they go down. lol. So that's erroneous because it assumes several things.

First it assumes that UBI people have no ambition for employment. Don't have jobs or another means to support themselves. They just sit around waiting on the UBI check every month. So now they are for some reason unable to do whatever they did before and so now the government can make all the rules and control their destiny. So that's the first error.

The second error is you have to opt in. If i attend public school. They require children to be vaccinated. There are several options now for people and children in schools that they don't have to get vaccinated as they don't attend public schools.

Another thing i'd point out is UBI has been presented by certain political parties as some type of socialism. So UBI automatically becomes some liberal idea and anti UBI rhetoric often becomes some far right conservative idea. We just covered in the paragraph above why that's inaccurate but it's also a bit nonsensical.

So if you consider social security has been deemed by i'd venture to say many at this point as good. It was always presented as something that wont be around .. that was in fear of being cut by political party x... That we should privatize it .. etc., and my belief is social security has prevailed and continued because it became seen as a necessary and good idea and not a political onesided idea. Maybe UBI at some point in the future is seen the same way.

I think what's important here is if we believe in recessions and great depressions are looming or ocming our way. If we believe that we're going to need solutions. Simply saying well UBI is a bad idea won't be good enough. Many of us think it will be necessary. If not UBI then what? Are we suppose to trust some politicians statistics who wants to win elections and in some cases only cares about that more than reality? Should we be finding solutions to a possible automation problem that only makes the fire bigger it certain doesn't help in a future of possible job displacement i don't see how a human can compete at all. So are we just backing up political ideas and agendas or are we really trying to find solutions here.

Alot of Americans in particular want the old America. of God , glory and guns.. We may have to get use to the idea that we've lost alot of that and undeniable inevitable hardships are on the way. If so we gotta be realistic about that and get ready and prepare for that. Not wait till it's upon us and wreaking havoc. That doesn't help anybody.

So there are projects in cryptocurrency that's found a way to meet the challenges. There are products that's found a way to use the growth rate and inflation rate of btc to pay for blockchain ubi and provide a model and solution for the world. Unfortunately small businesses and trying to put everything we can on the blockchain may not be the solution. I've done some research and watched some great documentaries on why small businesses on the blockchain don't work. Why we need things more fitted to solve real problems on the chain.

So i know you said you'll cover the economics of ubi which is a much more vast conversation than even this one on ubi. So i'll wait to see what you say about that. I'm glad at the very least the cryptocurrency space is starting to look at serious issues instead of parading around creating a circus on the chain and finding out what's the next hype cycle pyramid scheme available.

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Good Stuff, @mykos
Every time I see a presentation from you I learn a little more about UBI
and/or the btc/mykos coins. So I'm only about 3 years behind LOL

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ALASKA has this, I believe you have to be there for a year to get started, but
it is funded by the oil companies... I think it is around $1,ooo a month? Might
be per taxpayer? SPOILER ALERT: Alaska is a REPUBLICAN State, so it's a

non-political value!

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