Did Daniel Larimer invent Hive?
- Yes, he invented the technology behind Steem, but how much development was done after he left?
- Is Hive the same thing that he left us when he abandoned it?
- Is he following development and changes done by the Hive community?
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In the context of knowing Hive's pitfalls I'd say his Tweet is pretty accurate.
He didn't just invent Hive, he invented the entire DPOS consensus algorithm.
In a way he invented all DPOS networks.
But with that same logic you can also say that Satoshi Nakamoto created all crypto.
Dan is constantly chasing the dragon on this one. He keeps trying to invent new shit when he really should just come back to Hive and help us build here. Politically Dan probably doesn't like the people who run Hive so the chance that he comes back with these people in charge is thin. I think we have to prove to him that we are better than we were when he decided to abandon ship on Steem. Like, exponentially better.
Perhaps when Hive is $100+ a coin and our distribution improves even more.
Perhaps he's too salty about the past to admit we already have evolved significantly.
We survived a head on assault from a pompous vulture capitalist.
Perhaps we need to survive an assault from the regulators/government.
Just because you build a race car and theorize how to drive it doesn't make you a good race car driver. BTS started with no premine/ico, as far as I'm aware. Dan walked from there to then have a ninjamine on STEEM. From there, he went to EOS to do both a premine and ICO. As far as I'm aware, the guy knows how to build amazing cars but what he does with them in practice is questionable. If you know DPOS, coin voting, then you would not partake in a premine/ICO if you're goal is a sustainable decentralized ecosystem.
What Hive is and has become is above anyone's head. You have to be a "master" at so much to understand the entire concept and how it works in both theory and practice. So far, Hive is as censorship-resistant as anything else out there. So whatever we are doing, we are doing it OK if the goal is to be sovereign.
I have great respect from Dan L; I've listened to all of his interviews, anything he ever spoke or written I've consumed (I need to read his latest book tho) - But I disagree with the fact just because you code something you "understand it" in practice.
And that's to say, the one project that "split" away and actually has a chance to prove DPOS works in the real world he isn't a part of that much, if at all, Hive. So, not sure what his end goal is, but it's damn obvious what this communities goals are, to remain with a healthy level of decentralization.
Ninjamine/Premine on coin voting is like tying someone's legs together and then claiming they can't sprint and that legs are useless. Let's see what real coin voting can do that does not involve a centralizing founders stake. Dan L has literally given no time for this idea to work; with BTS, the mining went to all one group of people, and the very high consensus count made Sybil attacks easy. We learned a lot from BTS, and now Hive is set up to do this thing right with several distribution points, no premine, and an even token distribution (comparatively)
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Agree on this as well
Agree in all points here
One day, it would be nice to get Even Vitalik, Charles Hoskinson, and Dan L to have an open debate regarding how to make hive better.
Crypto is a long-term positive-sum game.
This is class. @nathanmars will be the moderator for sure. It’s inevitable
Let's make this happen!
It will be challenging but we give it a try for sure!
Twitter can help us
Cool outlook, would watch such a debate
By my reading of the context, he's not talking about DPoS or the code base, but the social layer. What we have now is a bit different (e.g. free downvotes) from what Dan "invented" (to what extent others on the original Steem team contributed to the original conception, I don't know) and worked on, but mostly similar in terms of voting for rewards. Given his history of developing it and analyzing it, I do think it is fair to say he understands the failings of it pretty well, as he claimed. Nothing we've done since has been a real game changer.
I really enjoy and highly reccomend
@dan 's book More Equal Animals.
I do agree with the sentiment of this video. Mad respect for Dan but I wish he was more active on here. I'm glad he published his book for us, but there's a huge part of the Hive story that still nobody is talking about. And I guess that's because we are still writing the story. Those of us who helped bring this chain to life do feel part ownership. And Hive is diverging farther away from Steem in 2021 it is essentially a different thing entirely.
just because you built the engine, doesn't mean you built the car.
Dan did not invent Hive but the primary tech that was used to build Steem which was then upgraded to Hive.
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Well, Dan has been known to always invent and run! Right from Bitshares, steem, and down to Eos protocol.
I still haven’t figured why he’s always not believing in his inventions.
Also, yes! He’s Been following the updates lately.
And, point of correction to his tweet. Hive isn’t failing but steem failed!