The following is a response to a comment from @logiczombie regarding freedom of speech on the Hive platform initated from this post here which addresses the malicious behaviour of account @quackwatch:
Well while true free speech is a beautiful ideal which you can experience around a circle with a talking stick in the woods with a bunch of hippies -
The truth is, we live in a world of mob rule and as long as there is a dog that wishes to eat another dog, true free speech cannot exist. It means defence is necessary even for keen advocates of free speech.
The behaviour of @quackwatch is a threat because it mimics a pattern that is repeated across the internet and has capacity to grow simply because it's a behaviour of the greater 'mob' outside of Hive that has mass popular influence. It's like a disease.
We're dealing with psychological jurisdictions. We must defend our jurisdiction to retain our version of freedom for longer.
The ideal of free speech in the way you describe is very honourable but it does not exist on Hive - simply because we all also must participate in the big wide world which is saturated with class consciousness conditioning.
Maybe one day in the future, when our conditioning is based on equality, we can live in this kind of world - or find a place or make a place/jurisdiction where this world can live for longer than just a glimmer.
Until then as long as someone chooses to use a weapon (either physical or psychological) against another the defendant will need to defend themselves or risk losing their own freedom simply by tacit consent.
In every new domain of freedom, jurisdictions are defined by individual and mob rule. Individuals join other individuals to make groups to represent a perspective in a stronger way. Yes, we do have suvereign entities on this platform but at the end of the day they also must get along with other people.
In natural law, we are free to do what we please as long as we harm no others or restrict their ability to exercise their rights. This in itself is also an idyllic world.
The truth is freedom is not free. Real freedom takes an immense amount of work, it is not a button you can just switch on with a rule of law or a piece of code and expect magic. Ultimately the level of responsibility of the individuals in the group decides the definition of freedom that they uphold and this definition sometimes need defending.
Pure unadulterated freedom for everyone is a great ideal, but it only works in a world where we're all on the same page as far as general principles go, or in a new environment that has been 'reset' that has not yet had its jurisdictions and boundaries defined by individuals or groups. Already the jurisdiction or environment called 'Hive' is closing in its boundaries of 'freedom' and that is something that is decided progressively by the actions of the community and by the capacity for self-responsibility of the individuals within that community.
Just by existing (or claiming to exist) in a new environment this creates a jurisdiction of the dividing line between you and that environment by default. As more individuals populate the fresh environment, groups then form from these individuals and the natural outflow is towards an amalgamative principle. To thwart the encroaching inevitability of amalgamation and therefore the loss of 'freedoms', initial boundaries must be set - but this approach only works for a time.
These upheld principles that are defined by a group of individuals called a community stand as a stronghold to defend a definition of freedom for longer than just the regular initial period within a newly defined environment.
Yes, we're allowed to disagree on things - yet we live in a social culture of coercion where individuals seek to gain an audience with a single perspective and do so because there are many vulnerable individuals that don't take self-responsibility of their own principles and mind - instead they leave that job to culture and social trends. As a result, those that seek to coerce a group into a perspective threaten the psychological jurisdiction of others.
We as humanity will continually go through these cycles of freedom to reset, freedom to reset until we take responsibility of our freedom.
Hive is a microcosm of the world.
Total freedom = total responsibility. I've rarely met an anarchist that has actually lived this tenet.
If/when Hive gets more popular - so will popular trends and 'free-speech' (as defined by this group of individuals as listed above) may not have a place here anymore because of the global trends encroaching on this decentralised world.
In that case, we'll make something new again. We'll force a reset by changing the environment with our innate ability to create environments. What will the next hard fork blockchain be called?
Like you seem to have, I have no loyalty to any brand - I have loyalty for the principles. If the brand starts to degrade then for a time we adapt to its degradation until our definition of freedom in this jurisdiction becomes untenable.
We all have a line that we don't let ourselves cross - a limit of compromise that we say 'enough!'
For now Hive is still a great platform, yet as it gains popularity, politics ensues.
Comment and start a conversation - let's discuss it!
Regards,
Monty
"total freedom = total responsibility" Truth brother.
I’m going to come back after but this is a great post that resonates with me. I made a community recently that promotes free speech with minimal limits. Some could say that’s not free speech but like you say, or at least I interpreted it, it’s hard to enshrine absolute free speech now, not that it’s ever been really easy to do it before this experiment. I’ll drop the link in here and would recommend posting whatever you want in it!
Cool man, thanks for dropping by and having a read! The question 'Does free-speech exist within this new environment called Hive?' does not a have a simple answer when people are involved... lol
I'll be glad to follow and participate in your new community!
The community link is here:
https://peakd.com/c/hive-196233/created
I read more into the account you are highlighting here and it's in one area disturbing, in another flattering. It's amusing that they decry religion in some of the things they share. Contemporary science is more of a religion than anything on the planet right now. You can't question anything with it otherwise you are a modern heretic, termed numerous buzz words. It's a shame really that that's not taken seriously. That's the nature of religion though, it's irrational in many regards and people cling to it with every fiber of their being. When you bring up the main tenet of the scientific theory that you should constantly revisit things to make sure they still hold true they get quite mad as if that's not how it's supposed to be, if they are truly wanting to take science to the letter.
I suppose we really are entering into an era of double speak within centralised media saturated culture.
We must then revert to the text books on group psychology and also NLP and or sales techniques for a guide to explain 'new' human reasoning trends.
Repetition is the master of learning. Repeat something enough times and it becomes fact by consensus.
Censorship is causing many derivatives of our truth obsessed culture to come to the surface.
This includes pseudo-intellectualist opinion-narcissistic behaviour that has momentum in popular culture and is seen as the 'new' intelligent-objective. (Gotta love a good word-salad)... 😂😍
I seek to ever hold the torch of the spirit of inquiry high in the sky.
He makes a good point. Politics is never cut and dry.
Globally, as globalism is the trend - we're facing the issues common to amalgamation. Where a hierarchy of beliefs is generated with all beliefs pushed onto the belief market of the mind and compete in a dog fight to the death.
To save freedom and thwart globalism and avoid a 'reset'. Separate from the pack. Get off the internet! lol
I'm interested to hear your perspective on this @perceptualflaws
I would love if he came back! He seems to busy with life right now!
There was a reply on the previous post which attested to the prophet's return... lol 🤣 - looking forward to more rich public discourse in the spirit of inquiry!
I saw a glimpse of the prophet indeed hahaha nice! Just checked out that he left some comments!
We've entered into an unprecedented era. Scary shit.
Here's just one example of downvote abuse,
https://peakd.com/freespeech/@joe.public/greetings-good-hive-community
Yeah, well if whales do more of that kind of downvoting. That's bound to create a storm.
I love the ability to get off a computer and listen to the wind in the trees. It reminds me what's really going on in the world! 🤣