Techno DJs no real musicians? We are all one in our love for music - aren't we?

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I had Xenia already in a Techno Friday session - usually I try to avoid posting certain folks more than twice apart from my old DJ friends - Xenia is special though, she has a fab mix attitude to create sound carpets in Acid, Techno and House. I can listen to any of her mixes and I am fascinated and want to dance!

Difference between Real Musicians and DJs - are there any?

This is a controverse topic everywhere, also on the blockchain - people that play instruments often see DJs as less talented - I come from both sides and in addition from a marketing perspective. So to me I only see good music - no matter how this is transported to the listening crowd - good music creates good vibes. And to be honest I am sure a great DJ needs to have at least the skills a great guitar player, violinist also has - in a nutshell they need to get the audience to listen - the audience needs to be entertained. Not liking discussion of black and white, what is better or more skilled - a matter of perspective. And I hate to hear these DJs never learned to play instruments - a mixing desk requires a lot skill believe me. I can play piano / keyboard - even learned this in music schools. To handle a mix desk in a proper way requires a lot of musical understanding.

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It's like genres isn't it? You have different facets to music all the way through from playlist curators, bloggers, radio station presenters to the DJ mixers, audio engineers and musicians themselves.

These all require a skill set of some description... Can't we all just get along and share our respective skills and interests without prejudice?

Yes man - totally agree! But it is common in all professions, some feel they are more special, skilled or talented as others :-). Especially in Art such as music and design pretty hard as all is based on taste - and what is talent - hard to judge. To me the outcome, so the fun or joy the audience - no matter how big and who - counts.

Yeah where there is a person, there's an ego to contend with right? Haha

I'm all about the outcome and if the receiver of your creation enjoys it, that's all that matters really!

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This is a pretty old argument that I don't have a lot of tolerance for at this point if I'm being honest. I've personally been DJing for about 20 years and I still don't consider the vast majority of DJs to be musicians (turntablists aside) in the traditional sense. I also don't think it matters. DJs are doing something different than a traditional musician and it doesn't need to be compared to them on their terms. I'm not trying to do the same thing as a band or a guitar player and I don't care to be compared to them. I love setting a vibe. I love playing people new music they don't know they love yet.

I'll state it again, the comparison doesn't have to exist. It's elitism and it comes from a place of insecurity most of the time.

Now, what bothers me is when this weird classical instrument elitism spreads to electronic music producers which is much more annoying. There is a real musical talent in writing, performing, recording, arranging, producing, mixing and mastering music, so much that traditional musicians will pay thousands for those services. Yet, they don't seem to rate them as musical skills in the same way. It is bullshit honestly. The amount of times I've seen someone with a working knowledge of a few guitar chords flex superiority over someone composing and releasing their own electronic music is very aggravating. Just because some guitar playing is more easily understood as being musical than let's say, a full live set using a grid based Monome using a custom Max/MSP code doesn't make it less of a musical skill.

For me, the only thing that matters is if I like the finished product. I don't care what the source is. I just want the elitism to stop.

There is a real musical talent in writing, performing, recording, arranging, producing, mixing and mastering music, so much that traditional musicians will pay thousands for those services. Yet, they don't seem to rate them as musical skills in the same way. It is bullshit honestly.

Hahaha, LOVE this! I think you are right (note: am not a DJ, not a producer, not an artist of any kind, but just a big electronic music fan :)). I agree, electronic music producers do a lot of things themselves, others with more 'classical' instruments pay big dollars for.

Just because some guitar playing is more easily understood as being musical than let's say, a full live set using a grid based Monome using a custom Max/MSP code doesn't make it less of a musical skill.

Actually, I would argue the artist bringing a good live act has more skills than the guitar player. Try and bring an audience into a flow for an hour with just a guitar.

Hahaha, Apropo...! ;-)

There are some DJs/producers in the music industry that are proficient in musical instruments. For instance, several of those who collaborate with the Steyoyoke project play keyboards, drums, etc. and even compose their own music for mixing. It's a shame that all DJs/producers can't do the same.

▶️ https://www.steyoyoke.com

Does it really matter if they do not play drums or keyboards? Producing and mixing are different skills to me.

No, it doesn't really matter! However, it is cool to look at a tracklisting and see that the DJ actually composed a couple of the tracks in the mix or see them playing a keyboard during a show; it's just an extra 'Wow!' factor. But the music is still awesome, regardless! 🙂

Many DJs try live acts. Promoters are willing to pay more for a one hour live act, versus a DJ set. That said, many many many good DJs and producers are crap in live acts. Most of these live acts are boring. Somehow these producers, able to create cool tracks in their studio, can't do this in real time. I'v heard so many live acts in my live, but only a few I cold handle more than half an hour. Live acts are definitely a skill and only a few actually master this skill.

Not being a DJ or musician myself, I do have an opinion ( a pretty strong one) regarding DJs and Musicians. DJs dont have to be musicians in the classical sense. Most of my DJ friends, never ever learned anything about reading music notes, or playing some 'classical' instrument. All of them produce music as well, and learned to play the keyboard. But still, they can't read notes, they never went to some piano/keyboard lessons. And they don't have to do so as well, in my honest opinion. When these people play their gigs, they are able to move the crowd. DJing is not about the technical skills of creating a mix, but all about creating the right mix, creating something new out of the records they play. Ok ok, the creating something new part is maybe more for the real fans, since the rest don't know the tracks too well to realise a good mix. In addition, a good DJ is able to move the crowd in such a way they feel completely satisfied after the set. Its about the flow. Sets shall be in one or the other way, dynamic. Depending on the crowd in front of the DJ, the DJ must adapt. Ok ok, I'm in favour of DJs not adapting too much, since the DJ shall not bring some sound because the crowd doesn't like the original sound of the DJ; When that happens, the promoter is at fault. That said, a DJ must be able to adapt when required to get the crowd into the music. I've seen so many DJs around thinking: Owww I'm as good as this and that big name. But in fact, they are not. Many DJs today don't put their hearts in what they do. When not doing so; When leaving the heart out of it; Mostly you see these DJs around for a little time after which everybody forgets them again. To be honest; I forgive errors in technical mixing skills when the flow is good. That said, too many annoying errors, can get on my nerves and will leave for another room, or getting social, or simply go home :)