Sharing links and embedded videos is not the same as spam or plagiarism

in #hivewatchers4 years ago (edited)

I have received several replies to my posts from the same bot warning me that my posts are spam. Incidentally the comments all have a broken discord invite link where I could appeal (if only the link worked..).

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How is this policy decided? It is absolutely insane to consider the sharing of video links and information to be in the same category as spam. Sharing information - including that which is not your own original content and including content from other platforms - is the basis of social media. It is completely the norm in all successful social media websites - Facebook, Twitter, Reddit and others would be nothing if not for the sharing of links and content created by others.

This policy is self destructive to the community if we wish to build a broad network effect of users - vital if this network is to be mainstream. It cannot be expected that all active posters will create original content, and to demand it is to diminish the pool of potential active users (dramatically, by 90% or more). On what basis is it claimed that the majority of the Hive community opposes the sharing of videos and links as posts?

Sharing links and information is not spam. Sharing has value, spam is defined by being unwanted or not having value.

Sharing links is not the same as plagiarism either. Plagiarism is claiming authorship of content. There is no implicit claim when you share links to the original source and even name the source in your title.

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We should relax a little our GOOD CONTENT exigencies...we cannot be so inflexible

It's very true. One of the most interesting and growing social media,Tiktok is based on repeating the same content in a different way and it has been successful. The main thing is to make the platform a place where people will want to come to

The main thing is to make the platform a place where people will want to come to

Couldn't have said it better.

I think if your intention is to share links and information, rewards should be declined (or even better, burned to @null).

it's not spam.

I'm not against people sharing stuff, but should we deserve rewards for doing so? Ideally the content creators would be on Hive too and so we could allocate them a share of the rewards. If I'm sharing something like a video I try to add extra value.

should we deserve rewards for doing so?

Should a truck driver deserve rewards for transporting goods to a retailer? The truck driver does not create or improve the product - only transports it closer to the end customer.

It is not correct to imagine the supply chain of the attention economy as only the creators and nothing more. Not only is it a false view, it excludes everyone from the attention economy who does not produce content for themselves. Steem/Hive supposedly rewards its users, but under this policy it only truly rewards speculators and content creators - excluding the vast majority of ordinary users. Why should ordinary people join this network if they cannot expect to be rewarded (unless they provide only one specific form of value)?

The truck driver is a different role as he's an essential part of the supply chain and he gets paid anyway. Social media does need people sharing stuff around and it's up to the community to decide what value that has. I tend to find that automated voting distorts things, even though I benefit from it. The content creators should benefit too.

It would be neat if peakd picked up when you mentioned someone and suggested you share the rewards with them. That might help at least when the creator was already here.

Even nearer would be if you could allocate rewards to an account that is automatically allocated to the owner of a YouTube channel and uses something like Keybase to verify them when they claim it. Just thinking out loud.

The content creators should benefit too.

If they were on Hive, they would benefit. Perhaps if they see what money their content can make on Hive, they will be encouraged to join?

Peakd has cross-posting which by default returns 90% of the reward to the original author. There is no equivalent for an original creator not on Hive, and that is not a bad thing - we want to encourage them to join and share their content here as original creators, not to profit from Hive without joining. (Or perhaps to profit only a little, but see the potential profit of joining and being active here).

I think you contradict yourself in your first paragraph.

The truck driver is a different role as he's an essential part of the supply chain and he gets paid anyway. Social media does need people sharing stuff around and it's up to the community to decide what value that has. I tend to find that automated voting distorts things, even though I benefit from it. The content creators should benefit too.

You first say that the truck driver is different because he's essential and gets paid. Then you acknowledge that sharing is also essential. So what makes the truck driver different? He only gets paid because the act of transport DOES provide value. The act of sharing on social media performs the same job and provides the same sort of value - bringing people the content that they want. No sharing, no curation, no aggregation services - that is the attention economy equivalent of goods being produced but never leaving the factory.

Well I never said I was perfect :) The analogy fails in that you only need one truck driver to deliver one load, but any number of people could share some content and many people could see if without their help anyway (subscribers, followers).

But we get to choose who we pay (manufacturer and/or truck driver) for our content.

I'm just chewing over the ideas. It will get really interesting if Hive could reach critical mass and a lot of the content appears here first. Curation by sharing will remain a role, but debates over who gets paid could get heated. For now most content creators won't even know Hive exists.

Well I never said I was perfect :) The analogy fails in that you only need one truck driver to deliver one load, but any number of people could share some content and many people could see if without their help anyway (subscribers, followers).

Without assistance from others - nobody gets beyond their own personal connections. Subscribers, followers only happen because other people are liking, sharing their content first. Or the platform helps to boost your content. No man is an island - in the physical "real world" economy and in the online attention economy.

For now most content creators won't even know Hive exists.

This may in part because our economics are tailored for large stakeholders and content creators only. Our economics suck royally for the average user just joining.

We need to find a reasonable balance of creators and influencers.

If we do get some good content creators joining up then they need to be encouraged. Otherwise it will still have the appearance of a 'circle jerk' (horrible term). I just wonder where the next wave will come from. Steem has some brand recognition, but we have to start over with Hive.

Hive needs to be clearly a better option than Steem. That's obvious to us, but not to always someone coming from the outside.

Hey man. Thanks for your support on the Beginners Tips thing. I've made you a mod. Please feel free to get involved, or not, as you please! :)

Heyyy!! i lost your number because i have a new phone, i don't understand this hive thing, it says my power is delegated, how do i undelegate it ? i managed to do it with steemit, but here i don't see? help pls :))

Hi Alla :-)

peakd.com/@allasyummyfood/transfers

Log in with Hive Keychain or with Hivesigner

You can find out who you're delegating to by hovering over the little icon.

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Click the Delegate button and then delgate 0 to those accounts to remove delegation.

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thank you!! got it!!