The 13th & False Confessions & Miranda: Anything You Say Can And Will Be Used Against You In The Court of Law.

in #informationwar2 months ago (edited)

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  • You have the right to remain silent.
  • Anything you say can and will be used against you in a court of law.
  • You have the right to an attorney.
  • If you cannot afford an attorney, one will be provided for you.
  • Do you understand the rights I have just read to you?
  • With these rights in mind, do you wish to speak to me?

These are your Miranda Rights

Many of us have heard them time and time again because they are repeated on the cop drama shows that seem so popular. These shows glorify the police-state and paint a picture of all the "bad guys" being caught and "justice" always reigning supreme. This propaganda seems to sit well with the majority of the population, as these shows are very beloved and seemingly exist without limit.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_police_television_dramas

I was going to start listing them off but God damn, look at all those.
The first 11 don't even start with a letter and appear before 'A'.
The 'A' Category has 32 shows that start with that letter.

  • Law & Order: SVU (Special Victims Unit)
  • Cold Justice
  • Ice Cold Blood

These are the shows I can think of that I end up watching the most. Cold Justice and Ice Cold Blood don't really count because they aren't cop dramas. They are based on true stories. Ironically, Ice Cold Blood is more of a joke show that only exists because Ice-T has been in Law & Order so long and comedian John Mulaney made a joke about it in standup.

Then there's Cold Justice, which is just a really talented Cold Case detective running around solving actual crimes. That's leaves Law & Order: SVU, which much more fits the bill of what I'm talking about here.

SVU reference starts at 1:20

Dun Dun!

I can't tell you how many times I've heard that dumb sound.
I think it's around a million by now.

These shows paint a picture of police being held to the highest standard. There is no corruption, and episodes where their is corruption, it becomes the main theme of the episode and is always resolved with the "good guys" winning. There are no blurred lines. People are either 'good' or 'bad' and the 'bad guys' are always prosecuted fairly and they deserve what's coming to them, no matter what path and hardships it took to get there.

If only.

These shows are a sick joke laced in euphoric propaganda. The vast majority of crime in the real world is unknown or unsolved. Cops are corrupt to the core, and everyone seems to be waking up to that fact recently with everything going on. The only reason I find myself watching/hearing them is that the people living here watch them. I've been in so many households where the standard TV show just playing in the background with no one even paying attention to it is Law & Order: SVU. It's almost frightening.

In any case...

So back to Miranda rights.

Anything you say can and will be used against you...

The police and the entire judicial system get to pick and choose which information you say is correct and which isn't. Whatever fits their narrative, that is the truth in court. If you lie and they decide that makes you look guilty, it becomes the truth in court without question. If you tell the truth and that truth does not fit their narrative, they ignore it unless you can prove that truth "beyond any reasonable doubt".

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False confessions

The most obvious example of this are false confessions. The logic behind confessions is: "Why would someone confess to a crime they didn't commit?" No one asks the obvious follow up question of: "Why would someone confess to a crime they did commit?"

The absolute truth remains: false confessions are a real thing that happen time and time again and have been extensively studied. More often than not they are taken at face value as the truth. People are strong-armed by police with bullshit manipulation/exhaustion tactics over and over again. Many do not know their rights, and will try to talk their way out of a situation rather than saying nothing or just leaving the room. Many do not realize that in many situations they are not even under arrest and they can just leave the room whenever. Most people think they need to ask permission from the authority and they trust the authority to do the right thing.

Wrong answer.

Nothing can be farther from the truth. The police have a step-by-step playbook of how to get people in trouble. Want to frame someone for murder? Just kill someone close to them (wife) and plant their DNA under the fingernails. How'd that DNA get there? Gee, he must be guilty of murder. Let's throw this guy into a torture chamber for the rest of his life; he deserves it.

And that's what prison is.

It is a torture chamber that makes the world a worse place; not a better one. The people who we send to prison come out worse people. They are not allowed to reform. They continue to be punished long after doing their time and "paying their debt to society". The most common example of this is being forced to lie on job applications just to have a chance of being hired. Our recidivism rates are a not-so hilarious joke.

The prison-industrial-complex is a big part of the spectrum of modern slavery.

I've spoken before on the spectrum of slavery in terms of wage/tax/debt slavery, and I've also touched on these subjects in an old post titled Beware the Police State. However, something I haven't mentioned is the Thirteenth Amendment.

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The 13th

The 13th Amendment is usually looked at through the historical lens of the law that made slavery illegal in America. Hurrah for us, aren't we amazing? However, as we can easily see, the 13th simply flipped the page of legacy slavery and transformed it into modern slavery under the prison-industrial-complex.

except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted

In the same bill that supposedly freed the slaves, we reenslaved them, literally in the same sentence on the first line.

I shouldn't have to explain how pathetic or conniving this is. It actually reminds me of the same legislation from the housing crisis that made bailouts illegal, and in the same swoop made bail-ins legal. The problem has not been solved, simply redirected, and the majority of the population falls for it every time and we have to start all over again.

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It's no secret that the Judicial system is unapologetically racist. In fact, if you were to 'fix' the problem in say Louisiana, the entire economy would collapse due to losing all that free slave-labor and tax redirection. Inmates are literally forced to work for slave wages, and if they refuse they are sent to a torture chamber within the torture chamber (solitary confinement). We habitually engage in activity that will be deemed equivalent to war crimes once the system collapses.

Negative reinforcement

Punishing people who do bad things is not a very effective way to get large groups of people to do what you want them to do. Rule by fear always ends in disaster eventually. Instead, we should be creating opt-in governance models where the biggest punishment possible would be banishment from the community. This idea doesn't fly with a lot of people.

People won't admit it, but they want/need revenge. People need to PAY for what they've done, and they don't care if that makes the world a worse place and the fishtail of violence continues. Real strength requires forgiveness and the ability to reform convicts, not punish them eternally and make an example of them while forcing them underground to continue illicit operations.


I find it extremely upsetting as an atheist that I've learned more from the teachings of Jesus than some of the most devout religious people I've ever met. In fact it seems that the more religious people are (or claim to be) the more full of shit they are. Hypocrites abound, but I suppose that's another story entirely.


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The advice of a lawyer.

You don't need a lawyer to have the advice of a lawyer. The advice is simple: don't say anything; don't incriminate yourself or others. It is the professional job of an interrogator to poke holes in your story and get you in trouble. Don't give them a story to work with.

Chess analogy

If you were told you had to play chess against two grand-masters and not lose both games, could you do it? The answer is yes! Simply be the proxy and have the two grandmasters play against themselves. Copy the moves of one grandmaster on one board and proxy it to the other board, and vice versa. It is literally impossible to lose both games this way.

Likewise, giving any kind of information to an interrogator is just handing them free ammunition to fire back at you. Even if your best friend was just murdered, catching the killer and throwing them in a torture chamber surprisingly doesn't make the world a better place; it does the opposite. Our judicial system does not stop bad things from happening. Quite the contrary. Hate and violence grow like a fire, and the "Judicial" system is the gasoline that we tell ourselves is a necessary evil.

Conclusion

Do not engage with this system. Do not give the system validation by voting. Do not speak to police who's job it is to throw people in a torture chamber for profit. Respond to jury-duty with the obvious: there is no such thing as "unreasonable doubt". Reject what you have been taught about how the world should work. Punishment is not an effective means of control, and backfires all the time throughout history; From parenting to government itself.

Hopefully we stand at the precipice of a new way of governance and building reputation within communities. Revenge is easy. Forgiveness is strength. Forgetting is not an option. History is immutable.

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If you don't want to serve on a jury, tell them you know about jury nullification. If you want to screw the judge, use jury nullification while keeping your mouth shut.

Ha, the jury can decide the law itself is unjust? Hilarious.
Didn't even know about that.

Bro, I hope you're well. I am concerned at your long absence.

"In fact it seems that the more religious people are (or claim to be) the more full of shit they are."

In all the facts and truths you spoke here, this one resonated with me. I have to note that like all rules, this one also has exceptions. Good luck sorting them without lurking around for a while and observing actions.

It seems we are being impelled towards a world without history, where BLM activists pull down the statue of US Grant, who went to war and won to end slavery. Forgetting seems a done deal, with that example.

They are wrong and you are right, and the world itself will prove it to them in days to come, as the consequences of irrationality and misunderstanding inevitably take their toll on the misguided seeking to misguide us all. These are parlous times, and being foolish when at existential risk ends sooner than later. Folks will either cease to be foolish, or cease to be.

Thanks!

Folks will either cease to be foolish, or cease to be.

This is more true now than ever.
Being at the beginning of an ice age
AND
Being at the beginning of "lock step" towards total govern-cement control
AND
Factory farms running into the dual problem of bad weather and depleted soil

means that soon, if you don't grow it, you don't eat.
If you are in a city... because that's where your new "autonomous" zone friends are
then you are going to facing very hard times as reality is coming a knockin

Good Stuff... the functionality of our "legal system" is so borked that it would take a perfect angel to not abuse someone's rights in the process.

My dad has said for years, it's a LEGAL SYSTEM, not a Justice System. One can get lost in the maze of 'legalities' and never get JUSTICE. Happens all the time. Lawyers love this, it makes them MONEY. The system MAKES MONEY if you get Justice, or not. Jails and Prisons are not the only revenue generating devise of the American Legal System, but I think you knew that...

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Been mighty quiet lately. Hoping all is well with you.

Truly we stand at a great moment in time, where we may start dismantling the oppressive, injust system we have or miss a great opportunity to reform our criminal justice system, starting with the Police. While the worlds outrage is galvanized I hope we don’t miss this opportunity by focusing on the riots and looting. The world is watching, I hope we stop the legal carnage.

On a more macro level I agree with your premise about using punishment to control people. As a past child and now a past parent I agree that punishment and threats of punishment are ineffective. They might make people feel better, but they don’t right wrongs or fix problems. History shows that in 18th century England the penalty for pick pocketing was public hanging. The crime most prevalent at public hangings? Pickpocketing. In a more contemporary light, the United States has the highest rate of incarceration in the world, but based on gun sales in America, which qualify us as the most heavily armed Citizen population in the world, our criminal justice system has not made us feel safer.
And based on crime statistics, our criminal justice system has not reduced crime, instead it has given more Americans the social label Criminal.

When we value all human life and human potential enough to focus our efforts on eliminating poverty, ignorance, poor access to healthcare, rehabilitation versus punishment for all citizens we will see change. But until then a hungry person with no options to feed themselves other then theft will steal. Until then as long as we are able to rationalize beating and killing people based on our rationalizations, other humans will do the same based on their rationalizations. Our amazing inability to see the connection between how we treat people and how they treat us and/or other people is an amazing blind spot in our intelligent thought as a nation.

Finally, as long as we continue to marginalize people and deny them legitimate opportunities they will continue to operate on the margins of society and engage in illegitimate activities.

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  • You have the right to remain silent.

But, in many places you have to specifically state that you are remaining silent.
Anyway, they will play all kinds of mind games with you while you remain silent.

  • Anything you say can and will be used against you in a court of law.

And nothing for you. This is a travesty of justice.

  • You have the right to an attorney.
  • If you cannot afford an attorney, one will be provided for you.

This is because in a court, if you do not have an attorney, the judge has to watch that your rights do not get violated. Thus to avoid this, the bar provides lawyers to any who need in a criminal trial.

  • Do you understand the rights I have just read to you?

To "understand" means to stand under, meaning you accept them as being over you.
Why do they not teach you to use the word "comprehend" in school?

  • With these rights in mind, do you wish to speak to me?

No, i would rather be in N. Korea being interrogated by Chinese army.

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