I will say it appears as if you're attempting to frustrate me
Your Paranoia is noted.
No, I do not agree with your premise that linking to other platforms is 'wrong'.. But you've already made your Assumption though that I am in denial. So we are all finished. Have a good life.
I never said linking to other platforms is 'wrong'. I said there's no content, here.
I most certainly will have a good life. Good luck with yours.
And it's probably worth mentioning, this gentleman would be making far more money if he encouraged more members of his community/following to come here, stake tokens and support his work that way rather than asking for donations. Fans and followers of his work (such as yourself) would no longer be throwing their money away. Fans and followers of his work would earn curation/consumer rewards. Fans and followers of his work could earn when he's around upvoting comments. Fans and followers of this work could earn upvoting one another's comments. All those earnings go back into creating larger votes for his work. And when one offers consumers more incentives, one attracts more paying consumers.
He's shooting himself in the foot by not being here, all while directing traffic away. If he did it the other way around, he'd be setting himself up with a solid revenue stream that continuously grows well into the future. And his content here would be jammed with actual supportive engagement, rather than looking like a barren wasteland.
If you think I'm pouting about links, you've missed the point completely.
They put their content on all the 'platforms' out there. You should be glad they put their PRESENCE on here as well. Any popular creators that are here, the better, whether they link to insert media host or not, isn't the point. I know, you are all focused on $$, and some are more interested in Information first. As I said I am subscribed to all those other platforms already, and I think many are. But I do not peruse them all, daily. I do however check some of the tags here, and see a LINK TO HIS CONTENT on here, where I would have otherwise missed it.
Perhaps you don't care, that other Hivers are appreciative that it is here?
Now, I do agree with you that it would be great if they actually 'interacted' further than they have, but if they don't, so be it let them make less then...
The more these creators plaster their work everywhere, and take from systems that require money coming in as well in order to stay afloat, while not attracting paying consumers, the more likely they are to destroy each platform they use. They're setting themselves up to be deplatformed. Money out, with no money in is unsustainable. With decentralized media, one must build from the ground up, on their own. The money itself doesn't care about fame. Once they build, they can no longer fall prey to things like 'cancel culture' and all these other problems we see when dealing with central authority (deplatformed, demonetized, etc.)
Fame doesn't mean shit around here. The most famous human in the world can arrive but if they don't attract their own sources of income, but get voted heavily, all they're doing is taking, while the platform below crumbles.
Maybe as a consumer, you're only concerned about the information. The content creator is creating, for money.
Without bringing his own market/fans/followers, this guy is just some dude creating content, like millions of other people. Maybe their market puts them high on a pedestal and thinks they're larger than life, but once outside the echo chamber, it's a totally different story. The whole point of fame though, is to make money. Fame without money flowing in is like that guy downtown everyone knows to avoid because he's just going to make a scene.
If you prefer content creators treat this platform like they would twitter, that's fine. No amount of arguing with me will change how I feel about this.
P.S. One positive review doesn't impress me. People can buy those these days.
P.P.S. I actually like some of this dude's work. Not so much once he started leaning more towards tabloid journalism, but some of his earlier stuff was great. I arrived to this post as a consumer, and left feeling ripped off.
Yes. These creators also shoot themselves in the foot by making it inconvenient to the consumer when it comes to basic consumption. Fracturing entire markets into tiny portions means you get a couple views here, a couple views there, but nothing substantial anywhere. A platform like Youtube works because all consumers have trouble leaving. Corralling them all into one profitable pool is most beneficial to all involved. That's why things like stadiums exist and worked for thousands of years.
Ok I see your points better now.
But then, who is really to blame? The poster, or the voters that 'give' him the money? Where is the buck going to stop? These guys have been doing this forever. You have a downvote on him but his fanbase out payed it. (I'm not exactly a fan either as I feel the same as you about his content).
Max Igan's does this too and many of the other 'popular' ex-youtubers.
The popular thing that I mention was just to bring more attention here from the 'followers'.
Now if he were to write some content (Hive only) along with the pointing to where he has videos posted elsewhere, would that constitute still being 'advertisement'? Just trying to find the line here since I see tons of posts telling people to literally try out such and such platform because it is so much better than such and such, etc..
Thanks
Technically that wouldn't be considered a 'fan base'. Much of that support comes from stakeholders who existed here before he arrived. Those votes roll in automatically and in this case blindly. There was actual content here before but he changed to this spam email template and those folks acting as 'promoters' haven't noticed yet, or they're simply voting just to get rewards and don't care, but I'm in no position to say what makes them tick. If he's not careful, soon people will notice and the well will dry up.
This platform gives all those displaced creators a place to grow a business and own every last detail. But all they do is what I said, and scrape pennies off the floor while micromanaging their lives to death, or using bots, which only devalue their product further. They're used to the centralized systems that basically hold their hand and do all the business end of things for them. Without big brother, they're lost.
If there was an instance of ACTUAL CONTENT here, I'd have no reason to feel ripped off and downvote. I don't want to see people yapping about how great the place is or whatever. That's so lame. Youtube became popular because people started sharing videos on Facebook. Those videos didn't mention Youtube. It was Tourette's Guy banging his head on chandeliers. The last thing I want to see here is someone advertising HIVE to the hive community. We already know we're awesome. If he's advertising this platform on other platforms, he's fracturing his market and being the idiot I'm talking about. He doesn't need to mention Hive in order to direct traffic to his business on Hive. He owns this space of his here and can market it however he wants.
I'm saying it would be beneficial if they posted their usual brand of content, as they do, exclusively in one profitable location, then simply allowing consumers to share on social media, as they do. And as I said these folks would benefit from utilizing social media to then direct traffic here(if here was where they chose to call home). This place offers both consumers and creators a far better deal than anywhere else. If when tipping or donating on Youtube, Google takes a percentage, the consumer is out money, and the creator is limited to the budget of their consumer. Tips and donations are sporadic whereas here the consumer can load up the wallet (they were spending the money anyway), then tip slowly and forever, all while seeing a potential return on money they were going to burn. And if they decide it's not for them, they can bloody well leave with potentially more money than they started with. No guarantees but if one is throwing the money away anyway, may as well put it to good use. These concepts, when sold to the consumer, encourage more paying consumption. And of course the creator is set up with a solid stream of revenue. If you had thousands of creators collecting disposable income from millions of consumers in this fashion, creators wouldn't be living of the peanuts they earn post to post, they be selling tokens that have to the potential to be increasing in value at a steady rate.
I've tried explaining this business model a million different ways. It's so goddamn new, people have trouble wrapping their heads around it. Typically, in society, consumers go broke and have to work more in order to support products. Now, it doesn't need to be like that.
Paying people to direct traffic away, all while they have no intention of ever drawing in outside money to their product, is ass backwards. This post is Hive throwing money away. Anyone with any large market and even an ounce of celebrity status brings value to their platform, as well as themselves. Now the consumer is included in that as well. This guy and these posts of his do not bring in any value. He sends it out the door and devalues the platform. And people like him do that everywhere. It's moronic. You don't need to be an f'n Hive cheerleader in order to setup a business here and earn money. Basic business sense. Make product; earn money. This isn't Twitter. Twitter is the paperboy. This platform is the paper. A free tool used to distribute content, is twitter. A tool used to direct traffic towards the MONEY. Hive isn't a tool used to direct traffic. Why are we paying someone to push traffic away when there are free tools available and do a much better job. This guy didn't even have 10 views on PeakD until I came here and pointed this mess out to others.
Then once they've established themselves on the main layer, they can advance to the second layer, make their own damn token with their own damn brand name stamped on it and progress even further down the road of decentralized media. Options with NFTs as well.
But you can't do that without first corralling consumers into one profitable pool...
I actually agree with most of what you say here. I see that all the populars are now placing links to many different alt platforms, and I think it is ultimately going to be 'too confusing' for the average users and mass adoption for any one them in particular.
I have lists of logins/passwords/keys/etc for so many different platforms now. I think that eventually there will be some kind of interface to link them all together, to help avoid situations like this. I personally think of it as 'milking' though more than advertising, since I would think we want all alternatives advertised somewhat. But content specific to this chain, I agree should be present.
Now, my more 'live and let live' approach, isn't going to work with all these 'curation' bots blasting upvotes in milliseconds to anything even remotely predicted as 'popular'. I think that is where a major part of the problem lies. Because for me personally, like you said, if the poster isn't interactive, I will stop supporting.. That will not stop the Bots from millisecond voting though.
The next HF intends to put the consumer first. Incentive to vote early on potentially popular posts with bots will be removed. The reward curve will encourage more votes to be placed on comments as well since the penalty of doing so will be gone.
And of course they're just milking rewards. And it's bringing my goddamn property value down. They're squandering the potential of decentralized media. And if they don't want it to work, they'll be out of job permanently.
He's not even posting here. A robot is. If you give a waiter a tip, and they blow you off, will you be tipping them again?
Only if I tip him to go away ;)
LOL! Yeah sometimes that works, too.