photo from referenced news article:
http://www.kansas.com/news/politics-government/article211454394.html
EB
Now I'm no expert in government, but this can't be constitutional. And if it is, why? Thoughts?:
http://www.kansas.com/news/politics-government/article211454394.html
JL
It's constitutional. Private groups can choose whom they freely associate with. There is no universal right to adoption. People are denied adoption for many reasons.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_of_association
HHL
Yeah, I’m skeptical that these laws would be overturned.
JL
People just think muh discrimination can be used against any other right. No one has a right to be free from discrimination. Discrimination sux, but sucking isn't a qualifier for abridging a right. We have our protected rights because governments like to think they suck and abridge them.
DSP
im not very familiar with american laws, but i believe its a good one tho, ppl should have the right to decide who´s gonna raise their child, why would a LGBTQ couple would go to a group base faith adoption center to begin with. almost all religion are not very welcoming LGBTQ ppl
JL
You discriminate against me! Give me your child! LOL
DSP
exactly, why even go there, its like the post from yesterday with the transgender women all over again
HHL
Very few religions are not welcoming to ?????? people. And many gay Christians, for example, might care to adopt from an agency that shares their faith.
JL
I'm sure there's a Christian adoption agency that will freely associate with gay Christians. The question is should adoption agencies be forced to associate with whom they choose not to.
DSP
i feels to me that LGBT ppl just like to force themselves to ppl thats not right
HHL
Force people to take their money? Why shouldn’t a Christian family, for instance, be able to utilize a service for Christians?
DSP
its not christian if youre gay sorry
JL
No one is saying a Christian family can't utilize a service for Christians, are they? An adoption service denying adoption to someone isn't preventing that person from utilizing other adoption services...or even starting one themself.
HHL
There are many gay and trans Christians. So if their family is Christian and wants to utilize a Christian service, then this law prevents them from doing so.
DSP
have you read the bible? cant be christian an trans or gay, doesnt work like that, you can say you are sure, but as a private adoption center they decide who gets the kid
JL
It does not. If a Christian adoption agency wishes to freely associate with gay adopters this law doesn't stop that.
JL
And some Christians don't mind associating with gay people. Not all Christians think gays can't be Christians.
DSP
my point is why forcing a private faith based adoption center to allow lgbtq if they think it goes against their belifs system
HHL
Jonny, it would prevent a Christian couple from adopting from an agency that had this policy.
HHL
Diyorlyk, do you want the list of Christian denominations that accept queer folk? It’s substantial.
The National Cathedral has their own float/section in the Washington DC Pride march.
JL
HHL, yes. However, it doesn't make it illegal for a gay couple to adopt from a Christian agency without that policy.
DSP
sure in the US, america isnt the entire world you know, cant get more liberals than the US, those christians denominations just have a " cant beat them joy them policy"
DSP
JL, exactly if there are in fact christians welcoming gay ppl then adopt from them, or maybe all christias adoptions centers would want to have this policy?
HHL
JL, that’s not the concern at all. The concern is discrimination.
HHL
But DSP, this law is in the US, so US Christianity is relevant.
And I would argue that there are about 10,000 ways to be more liberal than the US lol
JL
There is no right to not being discriminated against by private individuals or groups. Discrimination isn't the best policy to me.
HHL
This remains to be adjudicated.
RD
"Almost all religion not very welcoming.." "Very few religions are not welcoming..." Depending on what is meant by welcoming, the truth is probably somewhere in between but it looks to lean toward religion not being very embracing! As a collective block none of the major religions take an embracing stance. It does look like most of Judaism is supportive with just traditionalists holding out. In Hinduism and Buddhism, the opinions vary widely with no real unified voices in support or against (though the Dalai Lama has come out against). This may be more localized... Islam is mostly against with a few liberals supporting. Within Christianity, Evangelicals, Black Protestants, Catholics (and Mormons) are all solidly against. Mainstream is divided and Progressives are supportive. Certainly in America, given the percentages of Evangelicals and Catholics, it seems religion is pretty unsupportive!
HHL
3 is hardly most, though, RD. That’s my point.
RD
What do you mean by 3?
RD
Evangelicals represent many denominations...
HHL
Three religions. Islam, Xity, Judaism. The claim was “most religions”. I’m objecting to the specific claim that a majority of religions (not religious people) reject same-sex partnerships.
RD
Hmmm...
RD
I took the most religions from major world religions, stance! God only knows how it all breaks down when you really consider all religions! Though, I expect folk and shamanistic types, could give a flip about sexual preference!
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