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RE: Why I won’t be compromising with Justin Sun

in #steem4 years ago

I've already downvoted that farce post. I do not support a fork. @blocktrades is not even a trustable entity to set something like this up. The only exchange that will list this token is blocktrades itself.

On another note, the author of this post keeps talking in the name 'The community', when he actually doesn't represent the community as a whole. This is known as populism, and in this case it's borderline fascism.

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Sounds like somebody is afraid of completely losing their delegation. Maybe you could try making a better product that people actually want to use and support instead of milking STINC’s ninja-mined stake, which you’ve had for what, two years now? And the results have been what - “Steem sucks and we’re making our own token.” ???

And you criticize Blocktrades for actually providing services and development for the community while you’re doing what - begging Justin for delegations for your sub-par project?

You’re pathetic, bro. It’s one thing to be a useless twat and a drain on the rewards pool. It’s another thing to bash someone who actually provides tangible services and value.

And in case you haven’t noticed, what Blocktrades is offering the community here is the very thing that you and Justin Sun are failing to provide: viable options for users and investors of this blockchain.

Grow up already. The whining and crying game is overplayed. And if you think Dtube has a future with Tron, you’re delusional. At some point, you’re going to have to sleep in the burning bed that you’re making.

[7:23 AM] heimindanger: atm I need steem purely for the rewards

That seems a bit extreme to me. No one person represents the entire community, but it is true blocktrades has had many different conversations with many of the community and as the comments here already show, there are plenty of people in the community (including high-ranking witnesses who have the trust of token holders) that do support this effort.

If blocktrades and those who support this effort do get additional exchanges beyond just blocktrades, will you take back your statement here?

Launching a new chain when the current one is being sybil attacked with the very stake promised to support the community is a far cry from "fascism" IMO.

If you want to be treated with decency, maybe start by not calling people a "bandwaggon of brainless monkeys" (or claiming they are mine). There is definitely a group of people that, IMO, don't treat others with respect, but maybe they feel they are just responding in kind.

I remember in the very early days running a IPFS server to help when you were first testing out DTube. I remember using it, working through the bugs, trying to help test things and bring about improvements with suggestions. I think projects like DTube are important for Steem, but I think some are frustrated to see people supporting Justin and Tron even after they attack Steem and continually go back on their word again and again. A neutral position is one thing, but at some point it seems like playing both sides, even if it screws the community.

Dtube would be fucking awesome if we could change things up so videos could be rewarded for a longer period of time, even indefinitely, most youtube videos don't get the majority of their hits in a week. This new chain could be the place where the kinks get worked out. Just my possibly over optimistic opinion.

"They" being a handful of people, yes? I've been on downvote bots before also. I get it. It sucks. I can also understand why people would be frustrated with someone moving to a new chain, and, from the perspective, abandoning Steem after this community has tried to promote DTube all this time. Maybe there were other solutions that could have been worked out (and maybe can be now on a new chain not limited by Steemit, inc) to ensure longer payouts on evergreen content.

Maybe a separate rewards pool could take some inflation and only pay it out over a long period of time (6 months, 1 year, etc) and a poster could choose which bucket they wanted to be rewarded with. Or maybe an SMT is the way to go.

Understood. Unfortunately many in the space only think about numbers in their wallets.

Thanks for sharing that detailed post. I understand the need to innovate and evolve and you made a lot of good points there for what you want to accomplish.

If there is an airdrop would you opt-out of it on the new chain?

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Could you stop being a dick, man.... Who is it youre rebelling against?
At least these guys acknowledged a common goal despite disliking each other.
Ats is being an asshole with that comment but youre like that youtube channel: "I hate everything."

use your brain for once you mongoloid‚

That was good, ill give you that. 😂

So youre irritated by those that dont appreciate your work? Welcome to crypto.
Where no one is your friend and everyone wants to shit on your token and what ever effort you might put into anything.

they will also null @dtube's stake on the fork.

Who said that? lol. Im all for Koreans being forked out, which will most likely (understandably) not happen, but someone forking one of the biggest dapps on Steem is ludicrous. The likelihood of that happening is about 0.

First they came ...
"First they came ..." is the poetic form of a prose post-war confession first made in German in 1946 by the German Lutheran pastor Martin Niemöller (1892–1984). It is about the cowardice of German intellectuals and certain clergy (including, by his own admission, Niemöller himself) following the Nazis' rise to power and subsequent incremental purging of their chosen targets, group after group. Many variations and adaptations in the spirit of the original have been published in the English language. It deals with themes of persecution, guilt, repentance, and responsibility.

So youre staying with Justin? Thats really the only thing i need to know.
Dtube, the only truly decentralized dapp on Steem will hang around with a dictator that has absolute control of the chain?

I find that hard to believe. It would be a in complete contrast to everything Dtube stands for.

null @dtube? Do you really believe that?

i want to hear what is your solution for this? even a blind man can see that justin is doing what he planned from the beginning and he does not give a fuck. new Roy plays lost man that has no idea what is going on and just speaking about win-win ("i don't know why is he doing that, i will go talk to him, but i want a win-win is all he knows how to say). So if this continues, in few weeks we will have a justin sun version of steem and in few months when he finds devs steemit will migrate to tron. he will do it even if there is no one here, just to be able to announce it. So what is your take on the solution?

i was also thinking that compromise is the best, but not one word he said was true. literally nothing he said was true. and now you say his initial campaign was not possible, and the thing he said to the community would be heavy work and we see that he is ignorant about that.
And your solution is to abandoned everything and just buy BTC? i can't see how that is helping anyone on steem.

Not if I thought that $1 was shit. But instead you imply the new chain will have real value and you will want to be a part of it. Gotcha.

@heimindanger

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Would have replied to you also in Discord but you have me blocked as you are sending me death threats. Lol. Don't catch the beer virus on the way to put me in my grave.

Fascism... Thats waaaay out of question, not even remotely associated to this situation.
Populism, sure, i can see that. In situations like this pandering to popular opinion is more then appropriate. Its actually the only time it is appropriate.

Determining a definitive feel of the pulse of the community before making a major decision on a platform that lacks democratic decision making, while you know major stakeholder opinions.

Downvoted because you don't even participate in the voting process of consensus witnesses and I have a free downvote. You got your bribe. Go to TRON with DLive. Nobody is buying your shit-token anyway.

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Meh! Have a nice week and remember to wash your hands!

Barely anyone here is as deep into this game as you are and so most people can't understand your point of view. Don't let them offend you, it's not worth the nerves. You have all the right to stand your own ground.

D.Tube could work with STEEM and HIVE at the same time after all, while still utilizing the full potential of the DTC. So you don't have to make any bets and people also should not try to push you around here @lordbutterly

I think we should wait for the other real witnesses to stand up and talk about the HIVE fork, while also take actions to further unite the free STEEMians of the world. If the lower-ranked STEEMians would be as united as this post suggests, the ninja stake would not be a topic of these kinds of posts anymore for a very, very long time already. But that last part is only my humble opinion.

@heimindanger you seem to be having some sort of mental distress. Should we be concerned for your well-being? Are you a danger to yourself or others?

Please reach out to those that can help you in this apparent time of need and seek professional help if that is what will aid you towards recovery.

Cheers and please get well soon.