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I remember some years back (when she came out I guess) I heard her singing some Christmas songs I think. I remember saying to @afturner "What the hell is going on with singers these days. This singer is in tune, I guess but she has zero nuance or flavor"

I had never heard someone sing so generically and straight. Basically I ignored her until recently. But then, I noticed it.. Hmm.. She actually is a good song writer. haha! I am still not a huge fan of her singing specifically, but the girl can sure write a good song. My favorite songwriter is still Sia, but I have to give credit to Taylor where it is due.

I like Sia too. She is pretty awesome and she definitely has a stronger voice. Her Christmas album is actually one of my favorites and I don't like that much Christmas music generally. Taylor is quite monotone and she relies on a lot of the same techniques in most of her songs, but the way she can tell a story with her words is beyond belief.

Maybe I should give her a chance and listen to her album. She's not the most popular singer in the world for no reason, I'm sure.

As I mentioned to @slobberchops if you are first diving in, I would start at the album Red and go from there. That being said, it also helps to imagine yourself in her shoes. For example, the song Tim McGraw she wrote her freshman year of high school. Imagine yourself as a freshman writing something that simple yet poignant.

I listened to them. Not really my cup of tea, but they were all well sung. Are people really upset about the language in the middle song? I think just about anything on TV these days uses worse language. When I watched how much the republicans were bad-mouthing her a few months ago, saying that she and her music were signs of how morally corrupt today's youth are and how it is an example of the downfall of america, that made me like her more. haha is that petty of me? Anyone they attack so much, well, I just have to like. It reminds me of the 80s when all the Reagan republicans were attacking pretty much everything—our music, D&D, Nintendo, etc—and using it as a example of how terrible genX was.

I had not seen that about the Republicans, but it is pretty funny. If they want to start attacking something Taylor is the last place they want to pick a fight quite honestly. I can think of a couple other places where they should start. It's just natural that her music would mature as she does. Unfortunately, that might mean you can't listen to this album in the car with your kids like you could "Fearless". I think it would be disingenuous to expect her hamper her creativity by trying to make it accessible to everyone.

I'll admit that I've not paid too much attention to her music, but it seems to be deeper than I had assumed. She definitely has some issues she is working through. It seems that being the biggest music star in the world does not mean you get a happy romantic ending. I had not expected the F-bombs and that may be an issue for her younger fans, but the topics are adult ones.

It must be hard to stay grounded when you are that big, but she seems nice to her crew who get big bonuses. I hope she can have something like a normal life.

I definitely agree it is probably hard to find people who you can genuinely connect with when you achieve that level of fame. You never quite know if someone has an angle. I've heard stories that lead me to believe she is still a pretty grounded person assuming they can be trusted. She definitely has her "silly love songs", but she also does some deep lyrical work and turns of phrases too. Artistically I think she is just on another level.

I know you are a big Swifty Bozz and hope you will watch the Eras tour and let us know your thoughts. I have to say all 3 that you shared sound pretty good. The last 2 for me are the best. Taylor for sure has a talent and as a person and artist, it is amazing what she has achieved. Luckily I just renewed my spotify subscription so will see if I can play the album and see.

I'm definitely planning to check it out someday when I have the time! It's pretty crazy what she has managed to achieve. I honestly never would have guessed when she was that awkward teen writing about Tim McGraw.

I must say that second one surprised my, I don't think I 've ever heard profanity in her music before. It's a good song though! She's not my favorite artist but has made some very catchy songs and it a very good songwriter. I agree with you 100% there. It would be hard to be an the top of her career as she is and knowing no matter what you put out there will be a lot of criticism. I think she did a good job!

Oh, her past four records have actually had a quite a bit of profanity in them. Folklore, Evermore, Midnights, and now this one. It was a bit jarring at first, but it makes a bit of sense. It just throws you. Like seeing that former Disney star doing an R rated movie or something.

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So I did listen to all 3 songs in their entirety.. but..

Apart from all the bad language which I don't mind at all, I still can't hear anything that jumps out at me. Still it's been a (slight) education to listen.

If you are really looking to dig into TS, I suggest starting back at the Red album. That's what really opened my eyes to how clever of song writer she is.

If you have been living under a rock the past week

I live under a rock, never really got the whole Swift thing. One day I might listen though.

Your passion for Taylor Swift has convinced me a little more of her influence on music in recent times. Like you she didn't convince me in her early days and I've never really paid that much attention to her, but maybe that's because I'm a bit more into commercial pop. But wow, this girl stands out as a songwriter. I've listened to two albums of hers already, I think I'll give this one a chance just like you always say, with headphones, alone and in the dark, that's what I read and liked about you the day I started following you on Hive. Approved as the right way to listen to music.

Thanks, I really appreciate it. I've always had a soft spot for artists that write their own lyrics and can paint a story through them. If you haven't listened to the song "All Too Well" from RED it's an absolute must. Skip the ten minute version until you have come to appreciate the shorter version. She is so phenomenal.

I haven't listened to the whole album, but I remember comments from All Too Well, I'll take it seriously this time and listen to your recommendation bro!...