LET'S TALK ABOUT THIS DOWNVOTE BULLSHIT

in #proofofbrain3 years ago (edited)

Just like the rest of humanity, Hive is at a crossroads. We either keep ignoring this TOTAL CORRUPTION and end up with another fucked up platform just like Steemit, or we say enough is enough and say OK, if these THIEVING GLOBALIST CUNTS are going to fuck us over we will not go quietly.

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As things now stand, I will never earn any rewards on the Hive platform again because all my posts will be downvoted to ZERO. So I have nothing to lose in that regard. And if the price of Hive now drops, so be it. Over the past six months I have powered down 1/4 million HP into HBD, and over the past month have sold that and turned from a Hive investor to an ex-Hive investor with a huge pile of dirty secrets and a chip on my shoulder.

And I've been around on Steemit and Hive since Aug 2016 so I have a fair idea just how deep the corruption on these blockchains goes.

Because I want to support good content and particularly content exposing the globalist agendas, I have previously put money into both Steemit and Hive, in order to be able to give out decent votes.

In both cases I've done well on the deal, buying up a stake at a cheap price, then getting pissed off at the downvoting and selling it for a large profit. So the insider cabal has actually done me a favour both times.

Why am I extra pissed off today? I live in New Zealand, my country is being destroyed by globalists, and a nation of sheeple are submitting to lockdowns and death jabs for the greater good. Living in the middle of this, my stress levels are pretty high, and I do not come to this blockchain to see the same bullshit playing out.

And just what was the final straw?

Yet another example of the content I am upvoting being constantly downvoted by the same insider accounts that are downvoting my own posts. I get that this is probably more about reward pool rape than censorship, but I've had enough of seeing sights like this...

https://peakd.com/hive/@highimpactflix/houston-we-ve-got-a-problem

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Meanwhile the same accounts are upvoting the other insiders in an endless circle jerk...

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Fuck this for a joke, but here are a few lols:

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Well, least it wasn't Trump, that's nice.

Never nice to see 1/4 mil power downs. I hope whatever it is gets squared away soon than later. I'm sure everyone involved could use a break.

It doesn't seem it will get squared away any time soon, the hive powers that be seen content with rampant downvote abuse and countless viable options which have been suggested have been ignored.

I'm now onto 14 posts in a row targeted by this cabal, 7 of them zeroed out...

Why don’t you move to Blurt ? They don’t have downvotes over there. You already have a blog there ….

https://blurt.blog/@jasonliberty
https://blurt.blog/@frot

I'm checking out the other platforms, @lucylin is keen on Blurt, but I still have hopes there can be a downvote free zone set up on the Hive blockchain, I'm finding Proof Of Brain much better, and am impressed with a lot of the developments on Bastyon (formerly Pocketnet).

https://www.proofofbrain.blog/@frot

https://bastyon.com/frot

But I think Hive is now reverting back to Steemit, and I've already done all that shit with some turd called Bernie Sanders (and his army of downvote accounts) downvoting all my posts. These days I have a new account name on Hive, but I suspect old "BS" does too!

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A key thing is that if I'm going to earn dust or nothing at all, I want to have fun - and truth is I have the most fun on Gab because nobody gives a flying fuck what anyone thinks.

https://gab.com/frot

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Hive is controlled by one very angry whale. There is no way to change it.


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I suspect that Hive is controlled by an entire office of contract employees working for an angry government agency, and the rouge whales are just a tool to control the content and the reward pool...

Along with hundreds of low end contractors based in India doing the grunt work of running tens of thousands of fake accounts.

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There are entire armies of fake accounts doing the cabals dirty work...

Just who is pulling the strings?

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Crypto trading is all about being emotionally detached, and when I see myself getting pissed off, it clearly isn't good investment...so I need to keep the money and the blogging separate. This is an awesome platform with a level of insider corruption that defies belief!

They won't be stopping, he majority of users I follow have now been flagged because they are anti status quo.

Well shit! Thanks for not following me then I guess. I'm plenty successful drawing my own negative press.

I saw frot powering down, now this. He makes me laugh. In fact, a gang of authors make me laugh. It's probably my fault. You see, I have this issue where taking anything seriously gives me a headache so I regularly laugh out loud at shit most people don't and more often than not that pisses people off.

When it's not funny, I just turn the channel.

A gang of authors, and this was at one time called "The North Korea of Blockchains" by a popular press outlet lol

North Korea?

I must've changed the channel.

Yeah, i enjoy your blog too for what its worth, but I specifically am not trying to drag anyone else into this madness, which is why i make pointless "Placeholder Posts".

Nice to meet you and I hope to see you on the other side!

The pleasure's mine man, thank you.

North Korea!

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Well fuck.

I have nothing against you Frot. I even like a lot of your shitty designs. So much for that stuff about sooner.

Inform if you go somewhere else please.

I'm not going to quit, and I'm sure we can make something good out of all this, but watching the most popular content creators on Hive being attacked in an attempt to drive them off the platform, shows two things:

Hive is not a legitimate uncensored blogging platform, and it's certainly not a legitimate investment platform - so just what is it?

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This is a problem I aim to 'solve' one way or another.

I am concentrating my efforts regarding this issue on Layer 2. I have a Layer 2 alternative that I am excited about. I still need to accumulate about 3000 more BEE, plus a little bit of dev work, before it will be ready to launch (I hope to be able to launch within a few weeks).

My Layer 2 alternative won't fix the Layer 1 problem, but it will allow folks like yourself the freedom to interact and earn crypto from like-minded content creators and curators. Those who are not like-minded, or who just don't like you or your content, will be free to ignore you, but will not be able to affect your rewards. And, because of the censorship-resistance features of Layer 1, any followers you accumulate while interacting via my Layer 2 alternative will still be following you if you decide to shift (or expand) your engagement to some other Layer 2 tribe.

Also, FWIW, it will be complementary to the Proof of Brain tribe. What I mean by that is, if my Layer 2 solution is successful, it will likely increase the popularity of the POB tribe and increase the market price of the POB token. The mechanism as to why I expect that to happen will be spelled out in the White Paper, which will be published at launch.


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Hi @trostparadox,

What is actually meant by layers 1 and 2, I don't understand the terms and as often as I have read them here and there, the explanation still escapes me. Can you explain it to me in words that even a child could understand?

Also my questions, such as whether features as I once knew them either no longer exist or were never installed. The first is "how many eyes read a post" (that used to be a feature, but was simply eliminated one day), the second is "guest posts on the platform without having an account yourself". I keep asking people, but don't get any answers. Do you know them or do you know someone who might?

Thank you and greetings

What is actually meant by layers 1 and 2

Layer 1 is anything that occurs directly on the Hive blockchain. With respect to rewards, any rewards in HIVE or HIVE Power or HBD are Layer 1 rewards. Their issuance and distribution are governed by the code running on the Layer 1 nodes, which are controlled by the witnesses. It takes an affirmative vote by 17 of the top 20 witnesses to change that code.

Layer 2 is anything occurring "off chain". Within the context of my above comment, the Layer 2 solutions I am referring to occur on the Hive-Engine blockchain. Currently, H-E is the only active Layer 2 chain. However, the soon-to-be-launched SPK Network will provide another Layer 2 chain.

At the present, tokens on Hive are either the aforementioned Layer 1 tokens (HIVE, HIVE Power, HBD) or Layer 2 H-E tokens, like LEO, POB, STEM, BEE, APE, SWAP.HIVE, etc., etc.

With Layer 2 tokens, the creator of the token controls EVERYTHING associated with that token. As such, each token is 100% centralized. With that said, the token issuer can opt to implement a 'decentralized' governance structure. However, at any moment in time, the issuer of that Layer 2 token can unilaterally 'take back control' of everything associated with that token, except for a few token parameters that are 'set in stone' when the token is created, like the max supply.

Thank you, now I understand about the layers.

What is meant by "H-E" and "SPK Network"?

H-E is short for Hive-Engine (the current Layer 2 blockchain).

SPK Network is another Layer 2 blockchain that will be launching in the next couple months.

Thank you again. I understood its another layer and you will reveal later the long form of what SKP means. :) I will wait with curiosity.

Yes some pretty concerning issues that I am glad people like you are aware of! Hopefully, this is where community proposals can help with a second layer token front end, of course driven by people with the longevity of the project/token in mind.

Too bad you didn't follow me, I was offering 2000 BEE to anyone who would match me to make Hive more interoperable and decentralized from the top 20 witnesses.

No one cared, so I offered to make a coffee token and just ended up dividing people who all want to be "Hive Coffee" but under a different name...

I'm really happy to hear this and am keen to support your plan.

It's all about the ninjas, dude. They have, and will always, control everything on this platform. I really hope that people ask themselves why the “fork” really happened and for whose benefit - some of us really know why, and I could see it from before it actually happened.

Why were accounts that laid dormant all of a sudden on a campaign to "save" steem. There are no saviours anywhere, just tyrants. Both sides are just as shit as each other, and we are the only losers.

I have seen plenty by doing my own digging over the years, and It's not hard to see/find, for those who want to search. All anyone needs to do is find the “original” accounts and the trails it leads them on. Follow the money! Never fails...

And yes, this is a hell of a lot more nefarious than what most can fathom. Centralised decentralisation. A nice gimmick at best.

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Power struggles here are doomed, unless you have the power.
Better, imo, to not let your ego force you to jump in front of the bus.
I'd just as soon we all got along.
Reducing conflicts where we can.

Might as well get jabbed then...

But I don't do suck whale dick...

Right, better to dodge those things rather than set yourself up for a reaming, iyam.
When it is a forgone conclusion that you don't have the power to win a fight, does it mean you have to run headlong into the brick wall anyway?

If i can't post or vote for the content I'm interested in, the platform is dysfunctional so I have to look at other options. This escalated because I'm not going to accept this bullshit

Truth is they are probably doing me a favour highlighting the level of corruption on this blockchain

First they downvote you for reblogging (friends), then they downvote your posts (voice), then they get silent...

Welcome to hive. This is very fun... ?

Yup, we need to wall off Hive and encourage further community development on the second layer. Who really wants to see the whales on a decentralized crypto currency acting like bullies and sharing their pro centralized opinions by downvoting content that is anti government and pushing pro centralized propaganda medical procedures, seemingly to pander/virtue signal to the authoritarians we were supposed to be escaping from with steem/hive.

Either these whales are trying make Hive into a meme blockchain, ironically enough threespeak will, or they are are just trying to preserve their wealth. The later might be more true seeing as we depended on one person to list us on Binannce and she disappeared. Why are we as a community ok with being a walled garden traded primarily in Korea and easily manipulated in price? Why was steemcleaners created again? How was it profitable and isn't there another similar entity on Hive which might be the same people profiting off account destruction?

I decided to stop posting and just curate. The pro authoritarian/centralization upvotes and downvotes by the large whales here is getting old and so is Upbit. Their virtue signaling groupies are just as bad but they follow along mindlessly so maybe worse.

None of it is what it appears is it?

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Yeah, its just bad. Having a 1st layer wallet polluted with social media content that overshadows and limits the actual real use case for the currency, it is just tacky. I spent years watching these whales flag anti centralized content, anti government content and just being general bullies towards activists and now Chinese content too. People left and are still leaving. Twitter with the BTC tips has made alt social media crypto irrelevant and solved the rewards pool problem.

Oh guess what? Hive is partnering with obscure blockchains that wont get it listed past upbit. The circle jerks here on Hive and the levels to them is absolutely insane how clear and obvious they are. Who wants to invest into a currency that is primarily traded only in Korea, on an exchange that is not even close to being approved for use in western countries.

How is it Steemit INC was based in Texas and now both Steem and Hive is based in Korea on UPBIT??? We want to act like elitists and that Hive is special but apparently only special enough for Korea.

Word! Just....Word!
Since a couple of days i have an idea for the next post/video...."Does Free Speech still exists on Hive?!"
Isn't Free Speech one of Hives slogan, to attract people & "save" them from Big Bad Tech.??! Hypocrites all over the place...
I was shocked seeing @jasonliberty post: https://hive.blog/hive-181335/@jasonliberty/ylxrbovg that i reblogged with 70 Hives gettin nuked, probably because it's Anti-Vaxx...
Free Speech!?

Free speech is not a hive motto or slogan. More so what the video content creators pushing steem used to say.

Hive is censorship resistant because its on a blockchain and anyone with the time and patience can find what content the whales decided to cancel/take money away from.

Let's face it, Hive is controlled by liberal pro censorship whales that are either Koreans or the elitist's kids hiding their money in Korea so they can participate in a social environment anonymously. Who knows maybe it is just Justin Sun and Co. with Ned and Dan trolling the community with catfish accounts just to enact control over the community the way true narcissists do with fake accounts and annalist behaviors.

Hopefully, all these flags are a response to the weird Korean influence and an attempt to wall off hive. Funny how Dan L. said he is against social media crypto rewards for tax purposes and then flaggers go full ham afterwards...

Who knows maybe it is just Justin Sun and Co. with Ned and Dan trolling the community with catfish accounts just to enact control over the community ....😅
You could be right...that would be one bunch of soy-boy cowards...😜

Cowards is one way to put it but another label is just a certain psychological profile involving spoiled brat trustifarians... The Joker/ Cosmic Jester.

Sometimes I wonder if Hive is more like North Korea than South!

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Nah the humor is quite evident unless the strong Canadian Hive influence is helping give these N Koreans some semblance of comedy even though that misconception about Canadiens being talented died when kids in the hall got canceled.

But yeah our whales are pro centralized authoritarians and it's kinda gross and doesn't help Hive as a social media when people can just stick to Facebook or twitter in that scenario.

I noticed those flags were removed from Brian's post but dude reading brian's account and comments; I am wondering if his account has been compromised. He is playing dumb about Hive and downvotes when he has been getting them for years and years now. Maybe was done through dtube looking at the transactions or he took his account back over after letting the ghost writing activists pump his content for years and really is lost on Hive.

I still think you sold Hive too early, anyway I always have a few giggles when you call people out :)

I sometimes say the main secret of crypto trading is buy low, sell high.

The other one is to be satisfied with your gains!

BTC I sold at 40k. Bummed? No, I bought it at under 10k. Even if I end up buying it back at more than 40k one day, who cares, I made shitloads and took profits.

We are playing with fire...

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I wonder what the right way would be to address these issues algorithmically to make it impossible for assholes of any variety to engage in this sort of practice.

Thing is - they are damn good at this stuff - notice how on this post the main downvote whale has backed off and it was downvoted instead with 60 blatantly fake accounts

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Hive is not the only rodeo in town any more… there are many many many places to blog and earn millions of dollars a year. If you get downvoted on Hive, just post on ProofofBrain.io, Cent, CineTv, LEO, Splintertalk, Blurt, Noise.Cash, Steemit, the first lesson in becoming a Billionaire is to not give a shit about envious bitter losers who steal a few thousand dollars from you. Move on. Thousands of dollars is peanuts.


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Steemit - lol - that was the reason I am on Hive :)

But yeah - very true - there are lot of options.

Steemit and Hive are run by the same dude.


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Thanks for confirming his account name - I have heard rumours someone is planning to do a post about him!

Just blog everywhere. Everywhere… that way when Hive goes down you can still find your original content.


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DPoS is a flawed consensus model for blockchain technology.

A fallacious way to distribute currency.

Blurt, POB and a few others work extremely well


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POB will be all that remains of me of hive because I am going to burn every bridge I have here if I decide to start talking about the money laundering going on at splinterlands

Yeah. I like ProofofBrain

Splinterlands is a real can of worms isn't it? - I'd like to see a post about that one!

It's tricky though, because I obviously have a conflict of interest.

I was thinking of finding a neutral party and live streaming a conversation with the about the topics without naming anyone.

That way we would get the out reach for an audience for a critical mass to start legal proceedings everywhere at once.

If we could start legal action in many countries at one time, the hell that would come down on the 3rd party that we all want off hive, would be so harsh they would likely have to sell their Hive for legal fees and spend the rest of their life in court if they want to stay on Hive.

It would be way better to find a neutral creditable source like the Hive Lawyer and release it through their account.

If AZ has never downvoted them, they are not in the same conflict of interest as me and it will look better to a court for a neutral by stander to stand up from a neutral angle.

In court vitriol or bias is usually counterintuitive to the outcome you want, I'd like to see real world penalties for these psychic leeches.

P.S. I'll be loosing friends who curtail to AZ, if they are not independent minded they will likely see him as a victim of the legal system and villainize me.

@frot it would be a lot more fun ending like this. Rather than a few small flames they may be able to extinguish, they would have an international network of lawyers exchanging info about their actions and who knows who might get sucked into the conversation in the private discord groups lawyers use.

Are any of the 60 accounts that have just downvoted this post real accounts?

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Lets see - a shout out to the 10 following accounts - if you are a real account please explain why you downvoted this post...

@lstriker
@gamsam
@sharkleo
@itharagaian
@mariluna
@zelenicic
@egistar
@liriadis
@silwanyx
@cloudspyder

Those are just the first 10 I checked - all fake as fuck - thanks for making it clear just how many fake accounts there are on Hive - next time anyone tries to say there are not thousands of fake accounts on Hive I'll start by showing them this list for a quick example. And this is just a drop in the ocean...

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My hive account is on auto pilot. I'm not active here

well why are you auto downvoting my posts then?

Sorry for that I'll try to erase what program does that

HIVE!D

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The truth about Lassecash.

That is hilarious! Great token review, I think I'll leave it to the flat earthers....

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I see the insiders love you long time!

Thanks for the vote, I expect it will only remain for 6 days like all the others, but it's the thought that counts!

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please keep commenting :)

Only -8 so far :)

My goal is -17.