Thank you!
I was going to write a response to @msgivings myself about how selfish her argument was as it considers only one of the three or more potential people involved in the situation.
You did much better than I could have. Bravo
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It finally got enough to me today .. it is not even that she wrote it, I am used to the superficiality and one-sidedness of her "arguments" already.. it is that IT WORKS.
Going through pregnancy and giving birth, then being a mother, isnt even comparable to paying child support. What does money have to do with abortion?
From the original @msgivings post, bold is my emphasis:
As for the rest, I am not going to engage in the "who is more victimized than whom" game you are setting up here. Suffice to say that if you cannot see the parallel I am making with this post, there is very little I can tell you about it, for a myriad of reasons also not worth going into.
You miss the point entirely. See previous paragraph.
I think the reason that governments impose child support on fathers is to mitigate the cost to tax payers.
The point is though. Women have not just one opt out system, but multiple opt out systems if they made the poor choices that lead to an unwanted pregnancy.
Men, who are equally human and matter just as much individually as any given women, have none whatsoever. Unwanted pregnancy arrives and bam, no way out you are locked in for 18 years like it or not. You can be excited to be having the kid and the woman can get rid of it any way she chooses and you have no legal recourse.
There are so many problems around the abortion issue that don't get spoken about because for some reason our "patriarchal miaogynistic" society cares about only the women in the situation, not the men, not the children
Yes men matter and their opinions, feelings, and personal experiences (negative or positive) definitely deserve to be a part of the discussion on paternity, maintenance law, and the kind.
The issue is that if there was legal recourse for women who choose to abort a baby, when it is not the potential (or proven) father's wish, stopping her from doing so would be a forced pregnancy. Isn't that more serious? Nothing can make a woman have a healthy pregnancy, or stop her from a 'back alley' abortion if it was somehow possible to bar her from obtaining a professional one. Or drinking or using drugs while pregnant, anything, really.
I don't know what you have in mind by legal recourse for men in those situations though. What should be done? It is unenforceable, anyway; a woman doesn't have to even tell anyone she is pregnant and can go get an abortion.
A lot of the subjugation of women in the past was based on the desire to control pregnancy (and by extension soldiers and populations) It's part of why women (and male supporters) had to fight for the rights for women.
Some things can never equate between the genders and they just end up with false equivalences being made. Men can't have children without a woman's complete consent...that is good.