We had another phone call on Friday from the school board, in this phone call, we were told that if we do not send our Marley to school on Monday then she will be put on the "list" as the board believes this is a worrying situation for a child to be educated by the people who love her most.
What kind of a world do we live in where home educating your children is not only illegal but is also classed as child abuse?
The women on the phone said our only option would be to leave Sweden which is what we have planned on doing for 4 yrs now but the thing is we have not yet found a place we can call home.
Our friends who we are planning on starting an eco-community with have found land in Portugal, it sounds amazing and we are really looking forward to starting this new phase of our lives but we have never been there, we are not Portuguese citizens and we can't say for sure that we ever will be, so at this point we cannot officially leave Sweden, which means our child will be put on that list and we will be on the run.
It's so sad to think that this is our only option, Louise is devastated that she has to leave the land she grew up in, I can see her pain and frustration but I can not imagine what she is going through right now.
Part of me wants to stand and fight, how dare they tell us what is best for our children? what gives them the right to demand our children in such a way? and why is nobody doing anything about it?
I want to take them all on but I also want peace for my family, and I can not stand the thought of them ever getting their hand's on our precious Marley.
Marley is so spiritually connected to this universe, she is a free bird that will never be caged in a classroom, her soul can not be put into a box.
Everybody is a Genius. But If You Judge a Fish by Its Ability to Climb a Tree, It Will Live Its Whole Life Believing that It is Stupid.
Albert Einstein.
What is Freedom, Are We Free?
We live in a tinyhouse and go travelling whenever we feel like it, we have no debt, no bills, our money is not in a bank, we are decentralized but for the first time in 4 yrs we do not feel FREE.
Not matter how much we strive to be free from the system we despice it feels as though it is an uphill struggle, but I would rather struggle everyday to be free than to give in and become nothing but a number.
I do believe in freedom and I know that we are close, who knows how long it will take and what road we will have to go down to achieve this freedom but one thing I do know is that they will not break our spirit and they will never get OUR children.
THE FIRST PART TO THIS STORY
Peace and love to the World.
This weeks eco-train highlights.
One of the greatest injustices in the slave trade was the ownership of the children. An enslaved person had no right over their own child, it could be abused or sold on at any time for any reason. Nothing much has changed!
Hello to you and your family. My heart goes out to you and because I am an advocate of human rights and justice, I am incensed by this barbaric attitude in Sweden. How could anyone think that a state run system of education is not one of the most harmful activities we could ever agree to.
I have worked with many families who home school here in Canada and the US. What a difference in the children. My youngest son and his wife home school their three children.
My wife and I have been searching for another country to retire to for other reasons but we have some experience in these matters. If we can be of any service, please do not hesitate. I am new to Steemit, so I do not have any internal money yet but as soon as I can I will want to honor you and your family and help to start a fund to help with the many expenses ahead of you. I wish you the very best and will keep you in our prayers.
Norman J Ball
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Thank you @globalrescuecoin for this genuine heartfelt response, we are very thankful for the floods of support and good will that have been streaming in.
You are right it is a very barbaric attitude from the Swedish government, We are still shaking our heads in disbelief.
We are now in Finland after reading a story of a boy being taken by the CPS as the family were trying to escape the country, read my latest 2 posts for more info.
Thank you for the offer of support, I am hoping that we will never need it but it's nice to know people out there are looking out for us :)
Thanks again you have really put a smile on our face during these difficult times.
Bless.
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It's terrible what's been happening in Sweden and much of the western world for parents who want to raise their own children, not the state. Schools have become less about education and more about indoctrinating our young people. Real education means developing knowledgeable, well-rounded citizen who can think critically, process information, make good decisions, support themselves and serve the needs of society.
In other words, real education produces productive members of a capitalist society. It seems the world governments would rather have us dumbed down and ever dependent on the state....more easy to control the population.
May God keep you and your family safe @markwhittam.
Our children are future tax payers. The governments of the world look at them as owned assets.
And they indoctrinate them, more than educate them. Burn them out. And teach children that being different is wrong if you don'T fit into the system (like me when I was a kid), but just because the system doesn't fit you, doesn't make your existence wrong, just means you need something different that will fit you. And talk about taxes, in Quebec, if I make earnings on Steemit, trade for Bitcoin and convert to CAD to pay my bills, I have to declare it in my income tax and potentially pay taxes on something that the government had absolutely nothing to do with. It is so frustrating. We are NOT free. We are slaves. We just need to figure out how to work around the slave system. And school teaches kids nothing. My step kids learnt more English as a second language with me this Summer than they did in school in a couple of years. Pfff, they just sap the creativity and life out of children. Sorry, it's a topic that angers me, because of the sad reality we all live in. There must be a way to fight the system in a sane way that will not lead to burnout.
Wow. I couldn't have said it better. Sad but true :(
The governments need to wash their brains and have a total control on population and not only them... everybody is free to choose theirs children education. I respect the decision to educate her at home and from what I am reading I believe you can do it. Not everybody can do it... letting an idiot that doesn't know not even to write correctly to educate their kids at home could be a mistake... I personally prefer my daughter to go to school as I don't have friends with children so i consider is healthy to her having friends and fun when she goes at school but I will never send her to a religious school and let those people wash her brain and control her for life
great point!The wheels need to keep turning!
That's why we need to protect them a teach them the right thing to do because when the time comes, we need them to take care of us when we get old.
you could say that again!
SO TRUE BRO :(
so true
@kevkong it's so sad but true, it seems nothing has changed except I think people were more willing back then to stand up and fight against it.
This is extremely distressing, of course there is no freedom if we do not have the say in our own children's lives. They are OUR kids, NOT the STATE'S!
Sorry to say @lyndsaybowes as long as your children have a birth certificate, you as a parent have knowingly or unknowingly handed over your children as belonging to the state. If you collect benefits, free healthcare, child benefit, and education comes when you register your child's birth. The child becomes collateral just like my ancestors, the system of modern day slavery is subtle and sophisticated but we are all slaves to the system in some way or another. I don't agree with it and i believe that every human being has the right to be free unless you live in the west or certain barbaric states, then sadly freedom is superficial.
well put ,enough said ,I agree,sad but true. You hit it on the head (nail)
so many ways of dispute! Correct me if I'm wrong but on every birth certificate(US) somewhere along the lines we signed our newborns over to the state at the time of signing the certificate. And also when we go through some sort of family court cases such as divorce, the children become property of the state as they go through mediation determining custody,and visitation rights.Please people read the fine print.
I look back and now I see I just signed to get it over with! To much of a hassle to bare.
I wish you good luck!
Good point but I would also say, if full disclosure is not present the deal is off. So if someone signs their child over unwittingly, the state or whatever parasite group can not control your child. But one does have to file a lawsuit to undo the assumption created by signing the Birth Certificate.
Would you say that if the parents (slaves) of a "slave" child, would sign a piece of paper, made by the slave master, that said that their child would be a slave for live, that, that child (as a grown up) had to get permission or that paper from the slavemaster, to be officially free?
(This was suppose to be a reply to @sheapureness)
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This type of posting by you @binodsinghdhami is absolutely spam and it is entirely insensitive that you would use the plight of a father as a platform for your own (shallow) self-promotion.
If this is how you wish to proceed, just close your Steemit account now because flags will make your account worthless in no time.
I've seen this kind of behavior for long enough from this account. It seems to target trending posts and spam them with this same message. I have warned him before but it seems only flags will be useful in this case.
Well said!
Dear Mark and lovely family, I am absolutely disgusted that you are all having to face this situation. I did not realise how bad it was in Sweden. I knew bad - but not this bad! I really really feel for you all. As you will know (and others have commented), the situation is as bad in the UK, where parents are even advised to flee abroad from Soc Services in order to keep their children! And we all know what can happen to them in Care/fostering. It is also terrible in Israel and Austria and Germany, where I was told 70 000 children a year are taken away from their parents. A possible 70 000 German children a year!!! One of the main reasons we are not in the UK at the moment is because we were arrested for trying to help someone who had had his daughter stolen by the State. We might have been a bit stupid (possibly set up, we suspect) but we did nothing wrong or illegal - and they arrested us! We were never charged because we had done nothing wrong BUT for a while they held the threat of a life sentence over our heads ("conspiracy to kidnap" or some such rubbish). A LIFE sentence for helping someone! There was only one reply to that, we felt, so we did it instead (effed off out of Europe and thanked the Universe when a job arrived immediately arrived, indicating that we had absolutely done the right thing). This is a very serious situation you are all in, bless your hearts, and we like your many other followers will be keeping an eye on it. I wish you strength in the decisions you are going to have to face and will be upvoting all your material in order to earn you some Steem. You brave guys are at the cliff face carving out freedom so please keep us informed. Many blessings - I hope it works out for you ref Portugal and will be following all your posts.
Thank you for your response @healingherb
I am from England and I grew up in care, which is more reason why I will never let them take our children. It's shocking how easy it is for them to come and claim our children nowadays, there should be uproar from the people but i fear people have been dumbed down to point where they have no will power to fight the system that enslaves them.
It's a shame that this is happening now in the uk, as I was always under the impression that as long as you never sent your child to school then they can't fine you for non attendance.
But I am also fully aware of some shocking stories of children being snatched by the state and before the parents even have a chance to fight the case the children have been put under care orders never to to be seen again.
It nearly happened to a friend of mine but luckily he knew all the right legalese to get his kid back before it was too late.
I am very hopeful for our future even under such threats from the state, it is not that easy in Sweden for them to take children but the threats will continue.
Thanks for the interaction.
I don't understand the ins and outs, but in general, when you get a marriage license and have children and give them a state birth certificate, you have made them the states property. You've asked the state for permission to get married, (why?) and you've registered the product of that union with the state.
I don't know if it's the same everywhere, but in the US it makes no sense to ask the state, which the people created, for permission to do anything. When does the creator need to ask the creation for permission to do anything?
Children that are the product of a marriage not recognized by the state and don't have a birth certificate, are untouchable. The state can't and won't take what is not theirs.
I haven't done the topic justice, but it might be worth looking in to. Void the birth certificate and you take your property (children) back. The state can only tell you what to do with their property, not your own.
I am not sure I agree about anything with birth certificates you said being true but your point on the marriage license is something I had never considered before. Who is the state to tell me that I need their permission to get married. Then once you have their ok if you get married and want a divorce in some states you must wait a year. My ex was living on another continent and I still had to wait a year and then bring someone to testify that we had not slept under the same roof in a year. We parted on friendly terms but according to the state if we wanted a divorce we weren't allowed to sleep one night in the same house for a year.
You don't have to agree, but don't disagree without researching it for yourself. Always check things out for yourself.
And I know you didn't say you disagree, you said you weren't sure. Just trying to get people to think and check stuff for themselves.
I believe that the state thinks we all belong to them, children included. I was only saying I don't think the birth certificate is related. Whether you have one or not if they find out about you they think they own you.
I know what you meant. All I'm saying is don't dismiss it without investigating it. Challenge your thinking.
Yes I am fully aware of the registration trick, it's the same in the uk, when you register your car you get a form back that says you are the registered keeper, not owner, this gives them the right to tow "their" car whenever they see fit, this is the same when you register the birth of your child.
I think it's different in Sweden, without your number that they give you at birth you can't do anything in this country.
But then if everyone did it then the government wouldn't have a leg to stand on.
In this regard Sweden appears to be a little further down the New World Order road. Best to you
scary(new world order)
great info
It depends on which authority you are in in the UK. The UK government's EHEGLA [Elective Home Education Guidelines for Local Authorities] is pretty sound. It's just a problem getting local authorities to keep to it when writing their policy documents and then keep to it in every day contacts with home educators. I just spent 2.5 years reeducating Staffordshire County Council and we finally have policies in place that protect and support home educators/home educated in Staffs. We've also worked to present workshops to all council staff who are likely to have contact with home ed families and those thinking of home educating. They REALLY needed re-educating! But they were willing.
Staffordshire would be a pretty positive place to home educate right now.
We had two advantages in Staffordshire.
It's taken a whole lot of discussing, rewriting and tweaking but finally people are starting to relax in Staffordshire and the EHE team can begin to do some actual supporting ... which in truth they couldn't do when they mistook their job for policing!
I also believe it is possible for children to be removed from parents for unreasonable causes. Frequently people don't know the bounds of their own blasted jobs I have noticed. They don't understand their roles or the law often.
It's great to see someone who's doing real work in situ, @sallylloyd and I'm not an expert. All the same, many millions of us (perhaps that 13% in the UK who believe in some kind of shadow government - see Yougov stats) are listening to interviews like this in which a baby has been torn out of her father's arms and ended up who-knows-where in care having who-know-what done to her. Millions feel that this is a matter of extreme concern. Please take time out to listen to this:
Thanks, @sallylloyd It's great to hear someone doing good work on the inside but I had to post the Richie Allen interview to listen to if you've time. I've no idea about the current situation or how Staffs is but there are countless examples - look up Samantha Baldwin and Vicky Haigh. According to YouGov, a massive 13% of the UK agrees that some kind of shadow government has taken over the world. These are not crazy people - they are simply realising what has gone on. Soc Services are now in some areas an agent of a tyrannous state.
Scary stuff :-(
man and I thought I had it bad.you can't compare,good luck to you too!
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I feel for you and your family @markwhittam. This is disturbing indeed. Everyone should have the right to homeschool or unschool. Even private schools are a joke in most places. If this were the case in Canada I would move as well, anything that is mandated by the state is not a good thing. People even get paid to homeschool here. I wish you the best as the CPS is run by a bunch of criminals. They do horrible horrible things to loving families. May everything go in your favor.
Thank you for your support @egregorian
I wish the Swedish government were as forward thinking as yours seem to be,
Yes the CPS are pure evil and should be replaced by humans with hearts.
Thanks for stopping by.
That's a good question...
I am so sorry you all are experiencing this heat right now. I can't even imagine how Louise feels right now. It's a threat to the state when a child thinks on his/her own. It's a threat when they know children are out there being taught properly and being taught truths by their parents instead of being brainwashed and pushed to controlled thinking.
I agree with you that people are afraid to stand up for their rights and a lot of them still don't know or understand what their rights are. If they knew, they would fight more in my opinion. It is a scary thing to them because they have been so dumbed down and intimidated by the state that it's ridiculous. Although where I live right now homeschooling is legal, we are preparing ourselves if a situation were to occur as the one you are in. What do we do if it changes, what do we do if they come to our door one day and say you must stop teaching your children?
Do you all have legal support in any way? We have joined different organizations filled with lawyers that are homeschool dads that fight the right of the people to teach their children. HSLDA fights homeschool matters daily. As you are traveling abroad to find a place to settle maybe you can look into them and see how they can help you with your legal matters.??!
Stay encouraged Whittam family! I pray they do not take your babies.
Thank you @crosheille for your response.
I think you are right, they see it as a threat and they don't want us setting an example for others to follow.
I'm so happy for you that it is still legal to homeschool where you are and I hope you never have to go through what we just did.
Thanks for the offer of legal advice, as we are not In Sweden anymore I am hoping we don't need to deal with the Swedish system anymore.
As always, I thank you for your wonderful support and your kind words, thay really do help in situations like this.
Bless.
I'm just glad you all are safe. I just read your latest post. The video of you and your children brought tears to my eyes...what a blessing that you all are together. Thank you for taking the time out to respond to my comments. I don't expect you to with all that is going on so that means a great deal to me.
I pray you will not have to deal with legal matters as well. We like having HSLDA to have our backs just in case, you just never know what you'll run into to. Many Blessings~
I have had child protective services try and scare me many times and I have always dominated them with lawful documents and the truth.
I feel for you and while this is absolutely disgusting I have hope that you will succeed in breaking free and living the dream!
I am with you, if you ever need any help with these matters let me know!
Blessings~*~
Thanks @quinneaker, it's good to know you got our backs :) they haven't got a chance against me, I grew up in the care of the CPS and I have been giving them a run for their money since I was 7 yrs old, by the time I was 14 they admitted defeat and let me go free.
And then we have the added bonus of having wheels on our house which has a habit of changing location, a lot :)
I feel for Louise tho as she is not used to fighting them and she just wants to bring her children up without being threatened by these heartless scumbags.
We shall prevail, but if it ever does come to the crunch then you'll be the first person we'll contact for advice :)
Thanks for your support Brother.
Bless.
So great to hear!
I like that your are confident and non compliant!
As I said I am here for you in empowered being~*~
Also congrats on rep 60!
SteemON!
Do you have any resources or links on CPS to share with us? It would be helpful to keep on hand for any future issues. Just incase.
Not really, I am sure there is some good info out there I have just learned what works from many years of experience studying the law and using it.
Basically if ur in the united states CPS can't do anything without a warrant unless you comply. You don't have to talk to, meet, provide any information for or anything.
It is best to try and be nice and civil but wise to hold your ground and not get them involved.
Basically I just provide them with an affidavit notarized by my self and anyone involved and then provide supporting affidavits and its over.
Though you don't have to provide or do anything as I said until there is actually a court order of which they can't get unless they have some kind of first hand fact witness.
II have helped a lot of people with these corrupt and payout incentivized institutions.
Wow. Well, that is good information to know just incase. Thank you.
good luck on what you decide to do. steemit is by your side.
You have the right to go to school, but not to avoid going to school. In other words you have no right.
Here in Costa Rica, the government sends out helicopters to take the children from the native indians in their remote villages so they can "enjoy" their "right" to indoctrination, whoops, education - away from their entire family. These abductees are also vaccinated, of course.
It sounds like your child has been recognized as an enemy of the state. Best to leave that place as soon as possible. It's a big world and you've many lovely options. I wish you all the best and know you'll soon find a solution to all this.
I've written a post on a worldwide peace meditation happening tomorrow (August 21st). Joining in tomorrow only takes 15 minutes of your time. :)
On the issue of forced education (ie going to school) surely this is much better than the 18th century where children went to work hard labour instead of getting an education. On the issue of the original post, I am unaware if this family demonstrated that they have the plans and ability to provide the required home education, if this was demonstrated then I am very disturbed because I agree that if a family have the time and resources to home educate than this should be allowed. As far as I am aware you can be home educated in the UK but you have to prove that you have the resources and ability to provide a good standard of education and I think that is fair and correct.
OK, just Googled home education international status and it is illegal in Sweden since 2010, this is very sad as there are a small number of families that would be in a position to provide excellent home education probably much better than the state could. Seems only option is to leave the country and move to one that is more open to such ideas. By the way when I say a small number I don't mean only a small number would be capable but it takes a lot of time and effort and not all people are in a position to do it.
Actually, I'm of the opinion that it is much worse than children simply working. Much of the child labor "sweat shop" concept is fabricated by the media.
Most children about 100 years ago simply worked for their parents - improving the family business or starting their own if they wanted to. They weren't all mining coal and being lashed by barbarians :)
Going to government schools is purely for indoctrination purposes at this point. Kids get out of high school or even college and suddenly realize they have very few real-world skills to fall back on.
No es bueno.
A state school provides you with a certain level of education not necessarily 'life skills' all though they do provide some of that to a degree, parents still play a part in children's education. Not sure what indoctrination is going on, there aren't many parents who can provide the resources a school can. This debate was whether some parents can provide a home based education and some certainly can provide that, many cannot.
I think life in general let a alone education is a million times better than a hundred years ago, though that view point may well depend on your status, obviously being rich would negate a lot of the problems of 100 years ago.
You only need to look at third world countries to see how hard life is for children and the work that they are forced to do, anyone who lives in a country with a state education should be very very thankful they don't have to live a life like that.
As far as the indoctrination topic goes, it's broad and worth looking into if you're interested.
In particular, it may be of interest just how the schooling system most of the world uses actually came into existence and what methods it employs to condition children's minds from a young age (like Pavlovian bells, etc.).
School teaches reading, writing, math and the scientific method... Then things get weird and children are forced to attend 12 years of it, minimum.
Life has not become much better than it was 100 years ago, though I'm interested to know why you feel it has.
I live in what you'd consider a third world country and have traveled to multiple others quite a bit. Life is clearly not what you're envisioning. :)
Thank you for your response @oddnugget we have done exactly that, we are currently in Finland after reading a story of a boy being taken from his parents as they were on a plane about to leave Sweden for good. After reading this we packed our truck and drove to the nearest unmanned border.
Awesome. I'm so glad you are all together and safe. :)
Thank you for sharing your story with us. I can only imagine what you're going through right now. But I think it's very brave and honourable that you're not going to give in to the system, and that you're speaking out about this injustice. Moreover, your decentralized lifestyle sets a very good example for others to follow, and I'm so glad that I happened to come across this post. I wish you and your family all the best! :)
I always thought home schooling was legal?
Thank you for posting @markwhittam.
Here is a link to HSLDA...https://duckduckgo.com/l/?kh=-1&uddg=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.hslda.org%2F
.........which stands for Home School Legal Defense Association.....they have international experience......perhaps they can be of assistance.
Homeschooling was a topic that @lydon.sipe posted about not too long ago as he was homeschooled and has really benefitted from it.
It is a choice of many parents and it is not regretted.
All the best to you. Cheers.
Thank you @bleujay for the link, we have no doubt in our minds that we are doing the right thing for our children.
Thanks for sharing your thoughts with us
Bless.
It is very sad.. completely unbelievable.. it makes me very angry that this can even happen.. but we have to trust that the path we have been put on is the one that is meant for us.. Great blessings in store for you and your family..
Wishing you so much joy and affirmation that you did the right thing
Yes @eco-alex, I believe the future holds great things for me and my family, it just feels a bit tough at the moment that we are in limbo land, between the old and the new.
Thanks for your insight.
Bless.
I feel u!
I see hope for you guys and keep you in my prayers!
Don't fight back, just leave when you can. This should serve as an example for all people whose country is advocating for socialism.
Thank you, we did just that. Check out our latest post :)
You are always welcome in #Hungary (homeschooling isn't legal but there are workarounds) or in #Transylvania (part of #Romania now, homeschooling have no real legal form, but they have great workarounds too, and the people/nature worth a try;) )
Hang in there. My youngest should start school next year. Been home schooling them and plan on keep doing that but it's scary how the try to enslave our children
I was homeschool and we had a similar situation with the school district. Luckily we lived in Texas which is very pro-homeschooling and we were able to get the school district to leave us alone.
The law in Sweden is that all children are obligated to go to an authorized school from the year they turn seven. There is one exceprion that is relevant here and that is as follows:
Children that are "long term" in another country ("varaktigt vistas i annat land") are excempt from the mandatory school. This is the case for you @markwhittam so legally you should not have any problem, but that doesn't mean the officials you deal with will know and accept that. How you choose to live your life is for some reason very threatening to many people.
Yes, but the person we are dealing with is the one with the power to put Marley on the list, she is also the one who had the power to turn down our application for long term leave, which she has now done.
The school needs to turn down your application. If they accept it they remain responsible for her education. You have the right to leave the country, but they unfortually have the right to put her on the CPS list if they suspect anything, which is a totally subjective thing.
Good luck!
Yes, the director of the school has both turned down our application and will put Marley on the list if she does not go to school tomorrow.
That's a sad, sad outcome. They should not treat the child as the property of the state and assume they know better than the parents what the child's welfare needs are. Very sad to keep hearing this. I have plenty friends in the UK who are here because they cannot home educate in their own country. :-(
What is the solution then? Have you "lawyered up?"
He's leaving the horrible place and the system.
Every Children Deserves to go to school and learned!
Freedom?? It just a word which means nothing on the real life
Freedom is a higher concept once again that separates us from beasts. It involves social contracts.
Ùnfortunatly we still live in a slave sociaty. But It's changing fast. It just a matter of time before we wil get back our freedomes. Look at the cryptomarket and the internet. It's evolution, we are ment to be free. Everey day you can see the signs of freedome. It's still a battleground but progres is beeing made. My advice is try to look to the invoirnment with a kindley eye and full off oppetunity's even if they try to limit your thinking. Eventually you must get wat you want. Becouse we all do create our owne reality. The more people do this the easyer it gets... a lot of luck, strength and love to your couse..
People behind the system don't care if you and your family are free. What they are afraid of is you guys setting example that others may follow. This is reason why they want your kid under their bs schooling system. Don't know what to say to you than good luck with everything! Maybe you can also consider Liberland just in case.
Unfortunately this is true.....
This is why I live as I do. To stop feeding the control paradigm and build a whole New Paradigm~*~
Thank you @cmoljoe
I think you are right, they don't want people thinking there is an alternative.
I have heard of Liberland from the dollar vigilante. I will look it to it more.
Thank you friend
I'm with you Quinneaker. However we may need a whole new thread for this whole new paradigm. Our children were homebirthed in OK... And as progressive homeschool laws as ever existed.. good thing we certainly we not sending our children there.. Even the best school however in a meditation community, and our 5yo was walking out of class.. we sought alternative and found road or global unschooling. Maybe as is pointed out these ideas of non-competition are seen of as weak and rediculous still. Darwins later teaching 'the descent of man' explains our humanity as function of our altruism from an advanced empathy, NOT survival of the fittest. My 2 cents.. We need to do what we can to find the common ground as best as possible maybe explain if it's even worth it.. with grace.. just move.. don't register.. thanks you for exercising and teaching (higher) freedoms. All the best
You're free because of your own choice to be free. Conscious people will always help you to fight this wilderness!
If this was facebook I'd put a big angry faced emoji for an upvote. This kind of thing makes me so angry - I'm really sorry you're having to deal with this shit. Obviously, it's a good thing that there are services there for protection of children who really need protecting - but when it comes to forcing children into school under threat of taking them away from their loving family, just because you don't conform .. that is just plain wrong. I know for a fact that homeschooling parents are among the most dedicated, caring, hard working, involved parents that there are - and unschooled children are among the most liberated, well educated children around.
I hope you managed to find a way past these officious officials without having to go into battle with the State. Really, who has time for that? I hope you don't have to go into exile either, though I have also heard of good things happening in Portugal, so I'm sure whatever happens, it's for the best.
All the best . Don't let the bastards grind you down!
Thank you @stillgideon
I wish everyone had the same outlook that you have, u fortunately to many of us have been Institutionalized and have forgotten how to think for ourselves.
Thanks for sharing your thoughts with us.
I was feeling the same way....I of course uprooted the post but I was like, I don't like the post I just support Mark and his family. I wanted to put a big angry fist in that woman mouth!
So sorry to hear about this! Unfortunately, encroaching on personal freedoms seems to be what government is best at. However, I believe your story may represent a light at the end of the tunnel for others in your situation; giving them the courage to speak out on the injustice done to them by the institution can, hopefully, bring about change in the future! Please keep us updated!
What country are you from?
America is not as free as it once was.
It hasn't been for a very long time too. Why the heck is your reputation so low, man?
Are you in the USA? or a non free nation? if youre in the USa you can move to all sortds of small towns where this is not an issue, also, we can help you pay for a good "private school" where you can buy all teh apper work you need to run your own school, maybe set up an actual school to become an alternative to the public shithole school that exists near you that should be shut down, all public schools in the US are prisons and should be shut down immediately.
i would threaten a lawsuit against the 'school board" man if someone threatened me like that it would be ugly!
You havea right to homeschool your children
Thios school board is making terroristic threats, report them. I would go as far as making up som story about how their school is molesting children and how youll comeout with the story if they dont stop the threatening phone calls, man i would go CRAZY if this happened to me! It would be all out war!
make sure you simply move to a new address if they actually try to send people to your house
If tyhey try to come in your house, FIRE YOUR WEAPON at thhem, You have EVERY RIGHT to shoot a kidnapper
if I had kids, and some CPS agents tried to come taken them away, Theyd get an AR15 round in their skull.
Yeah... if only it were that simple. CPS visited me twice -- once because I asked my pediatrician why my child needed vaccinations, and he reported it as medical neglect because I said I wanted to research it first, and another because the neighbors called on me and an ex during an argument. Both 'investigations' were dropped as being unfounded. I occasionally enroll my kids in school only so that I don't have to worry about that as well. (homeschooling is legal here, but doing so makes you a target for investigations)
But if they show up at your house and you have a gun?? LOL you better move out right then, cause the cops will return the next day for your children.
leave that totalitarian country! go to ecuador now! Steemit blog from there and you will be fine!
I think the World needs a new Magna Carta signed between We the people and those who would deem themselves our 'owners' or 'managers' or whatever they style themselves as... We need to reassert our rights.
that can only hapen with decentralization and crypto currncy! FUny u mentioned magna carta because I had an idea for Steemit Whales to sign a magna carta with the minnows and dolphins! lol
I think an updated document would serve us well but it would be tough to find the whale king and force his signature...
Brilliant. Let's do it!
I know you have your reasons for not wanting to send your child to school, but in spite of all the negative things that can be said about school there is one thing that school gives a child and that is the opportunity to interact with other children, this makes them more capable of dealing with other people and I can assure you this is a real asset.
Yes I agree, that is why we have made extra steps to assure that our children get to interact with many children, our kids are VERY sociable and have many friends in 3 different countries.
They also have each other, we have 3 girls and a boy so when they are not playing with each other then they are out playing with others.
I would be worried if I saw parents homeschooling but didn't make an effort for their child to interact with other children.
Thanks for your insight.
Very sad story. The only thing I can say is, please, be very careful and do whatever you can to keep social services away from your door. Fighting for your rights is something you cannot afford at this time. In order to keep your kid safe, you need to be a coward at this point. Go away, take the child with you...whatever.
I don't know exactly the situation in Sweden, but in Norway I know of a family that had to fight for a year to get their children back from social services.
I'd agree here with @ladyrebecca. I think that's what you intend too. Then fight from a safe place.
This is why having children is such a scarey thing now, they can use them to control you they can threaten them to make you do whatever you want, such a liability, look at alex jones, they threaten his kids and he does whatever the FBI wants, look at trump, they threaten his family and now trumpo is their slave. It realy sucks, and untill we hgave a decentralized world, its really hard to bring life intothis world the way it is, without at LEAST trying a little harder to decentralized it! And the only way is for each of us to make enough money , each of us, making million maybe billions, we HAVE to do it, we HAVE to control the money supply! e can do it with crypto, we can fuck over the entire banking system collapse it and then replace it with our own system!
We must continue our efforts with crypto currency! Its the only way, its the ONLY thing e CAn do!
I have been notciing SO MANY censored peopel on youtube deleted channels peopel AFRAID to speak tgheir mine im inviting them all to steemit and i have plans to scout out ALL of the websites theat youteb and google are banning, everyone on every social media black list i will be banning to steemit! peopel with contrpoversial ideas will find a home here , sadly the lft is super brainwashed and is stcuk on the gogle youtube facebook plantation its the right that will b FOCED to use steemit and decentralized stuff like bitcoin so by teh time he left realizes its under totalitarian control and decides to jump ship and jopin steemit, they will arrive to see the right in control of all teh steemppower but since we actually believe in free speech we wont bully or censor them even tho e will have all the power now! we will actually create a space for free speech here!
Anyway the child question, its cvery much a fear moingring game! they are just trying to scare you! if you havent abused you child then CPS has no case to come take you children, your free to also move with the money we will help you riuse OR aford the licenses to become your OWN PRIOVATE SCHOOL! or hire a tutor or whatever they force you to do with thir 1984 checkups ...how did they even find out your child ISNT rtegietered? thyre just keping trck of every child evrywhere now? so theyre basicaly pedophiles keeping stock of their victims...thats WHAT it is CPS IS A PEDOPHILE nbetwork we ALL know it alx jones exposed it and its TRUE where ELSE would pedophiles go but CPS to take advantage of the defenlsess children ...CPS workersmake me sick, theyre all evil! and even if you THINK youmight know a "good" one the very fact thatthyw ork for uch an evil organization is proof they are evil enough to fuckin not cARE to evenLOOK UP who it is thgeyure working for!
Im sick of us not being at war with eviul, enough giving these fuckers the benefit of the doubt! theres too many greasy socialist communists around us we need to stamp out like the insects they are! Globalists control the leftits and the leftists need serious deprograming, the charlottesville flase flag is starting to realy get out of control
No alt right membver would evr run a car intoi a crowd....its redioculous that they would even believe someone from the altright would ever ever consider doing thatr, its fuckin crazy, and the helicpoter just hapens to crash so nooen can see where the car went??? My god its such a fake false flag nd im SICK of these FAKE LIBERALS acting like it some end all be all political argumentr OH BUT WHAT ABOUT TCHARLOTTESVILL AND THOSE NAZIS dude enough, ibme sick of hearing aboiut some false flag attack whre noone died
the "mpother" of the girl who 'died" had Nop tears and NO emotion No conection with a dead child, you can tell she was an actor, no mother of a dead child acts like that
just like teh sandy hook "dad" I hekld my dead son in my arsm!" not according to the coroner you dumb fuck! Oh and that corner is anothr piece of work 'I got the best photograophers" oh yeah that didnt sound like you were just making shit up as youyre going along! Man the fuycking left is so stupid they fall for anything
We should engineer our own flase flags, non violent of course, burt honestly lets start revving up the coponspiracy
I just realized, the alt left antifa p[eopel are SO retarded, that its sad, and i should pitty them
but they support shit liek CPS there are to many retards iun this country that SUPPOPRT shit like CPS nd ive had ENOGH of fucking governments telling parents their kid has tp go to some government programming center for fucking 8 hours a day everyday or you can go to jail, its fucking totalitarianism and it must end!
Thank you @ackza
I agree with you on so many points, the only thing is that the CPS over here actually take children if you plan on homeschooling them, we left in a hurry yesterday after reading this story http://www.nkmr.org/en/english/92-all-case/all-swedish-case/gotlandsfallet/2223-dominic-johansson-case-home-schooled-boy-snatched-from-plane
Thank you @ladyrebecca
We are gone, thanks for the good advice :)
lets free the whole world - we fight for freedom and so on - I'm tired of this BS
where on this planet we can feel free?
'It takes a village to raise a child'.
I'm from New Zealand, and to me that quote completely means community. As I have had a village of ladies help me as a single mother. They were my village. Fuck Hillary Clinton she can't have the word village. It's ours lol
The quote clearly implies that parents are insufficient; that a broader collective needs to oversee the raising of children they didn't create.
Sends shivers down my spine.
well said
Thanks for sharing that with us.
Not sure if you know the source of that quote. Hillary Clinton. And it's frightening how many people in the US believe it now. It takes a mom and a dad to raise a child, period. This quote is part of the brainwashing while they destroy the family unit.
Oh, I understood it more like it takes a community to raise a child, because before we all used to live in communities.
I think I misunderstood that one :l
That's why I mentioned it, you're not from the US and we can't assume understanding. It is certainly helpful to live in a community, of the traditional kind, not the Hillary kind.
Yes we live in CONSCIOUS loving community and it is far healthier and easier to raise children. They get to play all day with the other children and learn from all the adults all day!
So awesome!
If the parents elected to withdraw from the community, would the community allow them to also take the children?
If so, you believe that parents are sufficient; if not, you're a forced collectivist.
hahaha you can try and box me in by giving me ONLY TWO OPTIONS in life and then declaring both of the insufficient but you OBVIOUSLY have no idea who I am hahahaha
I allow everyone free choice even the ones such as your self who I disagree with.
Blessings~*~
The child is an individual too who is, or at least should be, a king or queen when it comes to the law. They are their own ruler. No government should be allowed to dictate to them their choices.
Upvoted. But really what did you expect when your European brethren are socialistic idiots.
I gave you a link back from my blog:
Btw, get out of Europe because economic collapse is accelerating there next year, and the migrant crisis is going to explode. Merkel has made a secret deal with the dictator of Turkey for another 10+ million violent young males to come in.
Your situation is really sad ... We are a family of unschoolers who live in Quebec, Canada. We have had to defend our point of view in front of the agents of the Director of Youth Protection, I know how frustrating and humiliating it is that people think we neglect our children when they are actually our treasures. .. It is so energy-seeking and scaring to have to defend our opinion before the authorities ... The laws and ways of applying them differ between our 2 countries but I want to tell you that we benefited greatly from the information and Of the HSLDA help that could also help you I believe, here is there website adress hslda.org
Do not lose hope!! I send you all my wishes of success !!
Mark, you don't want to deal with CPS. The cards in the deck are stacked and not in your favour. I went through 2 years of having to deal with them after incidents that occured at school with my son due to them not being able to deal with his autism. Needless to say that I homeschool him now.
Thank you for the concern, but our house has wheels and they have to find us first :)
In 7 days we are gone anyway.
I am happy that you managed to get your son out of the system.
Go baby go!!!!!!!
Oh man! I feel really sad when I read things like what is happening to you and your family... this is complete wrong :(
School was one of my main "problems" when my kid was in the age to go to school but the mother found a place on a Montessori school ... Maybe you should look for a school with a Montessori system there? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Montessori_education
As far as I have seeing it is very different of the normal schools and really good, my kid so far love it.
I hope you can find a solution to all this without having any problem. I really do.
Pd: In Germany homeschooling is not legal too as far as I know.
According to a radio interview with Jonas Himmelstrand, a strong advocate for homeschooling in Sweden, there are only 2 countries with a total ban on all forms of homeschooling and those countries are Sweden and Germany.
Hello @juanmiguelsalas, yes I have heard great things about Montessori schools :)
And yes I think you are right in both Sweden än Germany it is illegal to homeschool :(
Thanks for stopping by.
Come to Canada!
Hello @markwhittam, home schooling is not illegal where I come from and social service is almost nonexistent, so I cannot say I know how you feel. All I can say is that you are a good father and husband, and most importantly a very brave person. I do not think I would be as brave as you are in such a situation, but you Sweden won't be home for your kids if you guys keep running and avoiding social services, it may be a race that has no finish line. Your kids are young and they'll adapt easily if your help them, so I think you should find a better place that will accept your beliefs and values, and maybe, if things go well, your children will call it home.
I certainly sympathize with your dilemma. Here in the United States more and more people are choosing to home school their children for many of the same reasons you discuss. The education system can kill the spirit of a child in their effort to make them obedient clones. Most teachers are more concerned with an orderly quiet classroom than they are with educating children. If we could only convince teachers to teach our children HOW to think rather than WHAT to think it would be a step in the right direction.
In the U.S. we have our own set of problems. The new Secretary of Education, Betsy DeVoss has chosen to defund public education and use the money to create Charter schools. This may not be a bad idea on its surface but she wants everyone to have a christian education. This should be a choice. We may be facing freedom issues of our own in the very near future. More and more Americans my opt for home schooling.
I went to public school. The only thing I learned was how to properly socialize, make friends and get drunk. Out of all of my teachers, maybe 2 were actually intelligent and able to pass on information. It was pitiful. If I had kids, I'd never put them into a public school.
I feel for you Mark. I live in the UK where homeschooling has not yet been banned & in fact homeschoolers in the UK don't even have to allow state representatives to check on them although as you have found out, it is better to play ball with the state & let them think they are I'm control. Both of my children are still in state primary school but myself & my partner both want to get them out before secondary school as we both despair at the way society has been/is being engineered. I really hope you manage to sort things out in Portugal so you can feel free again. It's a sad state of affairs that the people who are trying to do thier best to make the world a better place are victimised while those that blindly follow & do what they are told are left alone & often rewarded.
Thank you @jimbobbill as I am a British citizen the option to register us in England is possible, but I left that Island for a reason 10 yrs ago.
So sad but true.
Thanks for sharing your thoughts with us
That should not happen. Democracy is about freedom and liberty of choice. It really pisses me off when I read something like this
The same stuff happens here in the US. Parent start homeschooling their kids, next thing you know CPS is at the front door with the cops. Taking the kids away and arresting the parents for some sort of child abuse. Where does it end!! They want them in the public school for conditioning so "they" can teach YOUR child what "they" want them to know. Stay strong and fight the good fight. Have faith not fear!! God bless
it ends when people stand up for themselves! CPS shows up, u shoot at them! make CPS afraid to gp into "Home schooling" neighborhoods like their high crime urban ghettos or something :LOL
Sorry but this shit makes me so mad nd i NEVR get to speak my mind on facebook r reddit or iinstagram without fear of being banned!
The government Ian just trying to get the kids programmed early to accept anything they're say is true. Don't be sorry, speak it!!
Are we really free ? I absolutely agree with you ! Also, i love this quote from Albert Einstein, it discribes us well education nowadays.
The state and its rules are all a bunch of stupid imbeciles. Be free to choose what you want to do is the need of today. It is so silly that the state is playing such a repressive role in the private lives of people who choose and want to be free. I am really sorry to read about your situation. Maybe moving to Portugal will be a fresh and better start of a new life for you. Take care and feel free.
Peace and love !!!
Thank you @atulmittal, I believe this move to Portugal may be the light at the end of the tunnel. :)
I live in Portugal, if you have any questions about. I understand you know people here, but thought I'd make the offer. :)
Thank you for the offer, that's very kind of you :)
Is homeschooling not permitted in Sweden? What you can do alternatively is send her to either a private school or an international school. Both of those options would enrol her in school while allowing you maximum control over what she learns.
Yes, we have looked into this, there is a Montessori school near by, I we ever decided to return to Sweden then we will take this option.
Thanks for the advice. :)
@markwhittam, I hear hurt and sadness in your post. My thoughts are with you!
As a family who home educates I support your desire to do the same for your family. My prayers go out to you as you pursue life and liberty in this matter!
The School System is a NAZI indoctrination/child slavery system. They literally enslave children and force them to do things that they hate, meanwhile filling up their heads with nonsense information and indoctrinating them for obedience. That is all it is and ever will be.
Abolish the Schools!
@markwhittam
So sad for your children and your family
It is a shame not to be able to decide what is good for our child
To let him flourish with his family
To let his mind grow, to let him free to discover this world
Our governments demonstrate their dangerousness
They do not want us to raise our children freely
Another drama, the vaccines that become more and more dangerous and that they want to force us to put in the body of the children
We must mobilize ourselves and our voices
@geemo-from-paris