huh? I've been fighting abuse before it was cool. In fact, I still fight more abuse than they do 6 years later.
The reality is though, we are paying them $290/day (they originally got $350/day but with all the blowback they lowered it to $290/day so they still keep getting paid). They actually stop less than $20/day. If they did nothing, we would save like $270/day.
Any abuse is easily dealt with. The simple fact most abusers have no HP to take advantage of it. Hive Watchers spends most of their days cleaning up posts for a few pennies
I doubt Hive Watchers does much to deal with any of it anyway, they mostly go after people farming 4 cent rewards and new users. It takes me about 2 seconds to add them to my bot to deal with it.
That's the problem. You are advocating forcing people to act as you want them to. That is not freedom.
Freedom is allowing the market to give them something to care about. Allowing profiteering from curation rewards shows how this works, by creating incentives that have nothing to do with actual content to promote curation. When people gain upvotes for forthright speech they have a reason to care about forthright speech.
The problems of profiteering, circle jerks, spam, scams, and plagiarism, are all examples of how bad incentives are coded into Hive. A plutocracy creates incentives to seek money above all else. This deranges economic systems that we should want to float all the boats in the community, rather than rewarding pirates to take everything they can.
Hive needs to code incentives better, and eliminate incentives for malign action, like profiteering or pandering.
"...imagine that we need to give good incentives..."
This is the solution to all the problems we face. We need to support free speech, and particularly criticism, because that is what makes free speech valuable to society. When we properly code incentives into Hive, we won't have to pay people to suppress bad actors, because people will defend Hive to defend their benefit from it.
People that gain nothing from Hive have no reason to defend it, so they don't. That is the problem.
huh? I've been fighting abuse before it was cool. In fact, I still fight more abuse than they do 6 years later.
The reality is though, we are paying them $290/day (they originally got $350/day but with all the blowback they lowered it to $290/day so they still keep getting paid). They actually stop less than $20/day. If they did nothing, we would save like $270/day.
I know that Hivewatchers is more of a problem than a solution - that is nothing new since years
Still, we need SOME alternative, instead of just allowing wild west abuse (cuz noone except you and the old few faces care for anti-abuse)
with all the scammers currently whining against Hivewatchers and cheering for the abolishment
this platform will go to dust very fast
no matter that we have 290 $ less selling pressure
wild west abuser platform is worse than 290$ selling pressure
Any abuse is easily dealt with. The simple fact most abusers have no HP to take advantage of it. Hive Watchers spends most of their days cleaning up posts for a few pennies
It is easy - if organized
All the raging germans (who cry cuz their easy way of farming rewards is gone due to HW) even advocate for ABOLISHING DOWNVOTING IN GENERAL
SO GOOD LUCK WITH THEM
and your great Hive platform that goes to complete shit
Germans didnt care about us wanting to decentralize HW, they only care about their easy rewards.
Their circlejerks.
So they suddenly want to abolish HW
Ofc Downvoting in general
So they can have their "peace and freedom" again
Good luck !
I doubt Hive Watchers does much to deal with any of it anyway, they mostly go after people farming 4 cent rewards and new users. It takes me about 2 seconds to add them to my bot to deal with it.
I dont care what you doubt.
Thousandth time: I also do not like HW - since way too long
still, noone has a better idea in this great decentralized community
Have some other better idea - make the useful idiots germans join the anti-abuse effort
decentralize it
But if you all now just rage to abolish Hivewatchers, we will soon have the whole Steem Swamp here
And every scammer from the net
You guys need to imagine that we need to give good incentives, as a platform - not only for scammers and abusers
That's the problem. You are advocating forcing people to act as you want them to. That is not freedom.
Freedom is allowing the market to give them something to care about. Allowing profiteering from curation rewards shows how this works, by creating incentives that have nothing to do with actual content to promote curation. When people gain upvotes for forthright speech they have a reason to care about forthright speech.
The problems of profiteering, circle jerks, spam, scams, and plagiarism, are all examples of how bad incentives are coded into Hive. A plutocracy creates incentives to seek money above all else. This deranges economic systems that we should want to float all the boats in the community, rather than rewarding pirates to take everything they can.
Hive needs to code incentives better, and eliminate incentives for malign action, like profiteering or pandering.
This is the solution to all the problems we face. We need to support free speech, and particularly criticism, because that is what makes free speech valuable to society. When we properly code incentives into Hive, we won't have to pay people to suppress bad actors, because people will defend Hive to defend their benefit from it.
People that gain nothing from Hive have no reason to defend it, so they don't. That is the problem.
This.
Eliminate the censorship ring that HW and Steemcleaners are paid to be. They're killing Hive daily.
I find it funny you think they do anything now or will do anything in the future about it.