A Decentralized Hive Story

in #hive9 months ago (edited)

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What's been going on?

I'm not that eloquent and I keep myself busy so I haven't written much here on the blog. This blog was originally supposed to be a frontend and all in all, that's a selfish type of vision that was. First there was this idea to create a new frontend, then to make it into a forum, then all kinds of other things and we went like this from 2017 when this account was launched until probably late into 2018, long after the witness was launched. [Don't let your witness votes expire, take a moment before accepting whatever effect this post will have on your mind or possibly sanity]

There's a point where building something that suits yourself stops being interesting and building something that suits everyone else becomes important. The modified Condenser running somewhere, this and that, it's there but it doesn't matter. I got more involved in the pre-Hive days as a witness but still in a removed way. I built out the veterans community, was and still am part of the silver gold community, a strange guy who turned out to be a woman convinced me to join what became the Hivewatchers, and I somehow got into Lucksacks although I don't touch cards to gamble in reality.

The real change even as we were all going through the start of the hostile takeover wasn't helping set up communications, or contributing or anything else but I'd say looking back, it was when the Foundation was invited to participate in that public discussion with Justin Sun and I said, let me be the rep from that end. In retrospect I could've said a lot more things at that debate but there was no script. Like everyone else I was already on full-time but I'd say, in a personal type of deliberation, that was it. I'm a guy who likes to be in the background, I do what I do, I'm hard of hearing these days especially which isn't doing anyone around me any favors, and I like working in teams. [Cue the philosophy]

I believe you have to support your team, be there for your team, back them up, make them look good if you can help them. It's said the military is the biggest team in the world. No matter what army you're a part of, you still understand how it's like for the allies or enemies, because essentially everyone is in some semblance of the same type of team. Now I think otherwise. The largest team in the world is decentralized. It's the most powerful team, more than any military alone and even if all armies of the world banded together in some soup of dysfunctional unity, they'd never be able to destroy a truly decentralized entity. Because that entity draws power from its decentralization. It's members are a team without being a centralized item; they are driven to cohesion by their diversity and individuality. They are connected through a vision which is different and the same for everyone. Like I said, that team is unbeatable. To me, that's Hive.

I'm not writing this to gain any favors from anyone and I can prove anything I say. I'm here every single day, doing some task, helping organize promotional events, being grateful for taking accounting two years in a row in college which was before most of you were born (there were no disruptive improvements to accounting in that time, no worries), dealing with infrastructure, organizing, and a lot of people would probably really want to never hear from me again at this point. I said it before, its enjoyable to be part of Hive. And in those paragraphs above I told you why. And (anther and) I like what I do and I will talk about what I do and I take it seriously. And, no worries, seriously, don't worry if you don't like me much, if I wasn't here someone else would replace me, I'm not considering myself special, we're all a team. And ... and that's likely too many ands now.

Hive is the very epitome of a decentralized power driven by a common vision and not by any other force. It's a blockchain but it's not driven by money or by some other of personal gain despite the protocol-based reward mechanisms. The people answering new member questions on Discord don't do it for money. They're there. No one's curating anyone on Discord. No one's giving anyone anything in a two hour discussion about how to rewrite some slides. No one's paying them to bring up Web3 at the dinner table with extended family as their spouse facepalms (no, not speaking from personal experience, I keep quiet in those). It's all simply the desire of people in different countries who speak different languages to be part of something tied by a greater vision.

People who get tired of my ands tell me no one cares about Hive. But it's 2am here now and I care, and its morning in Ghana and someone there cares, and its time to clock off work in Thailand and someone cares and so on. It's impossible for Hive to exist if no one cared and there is a vision. And (here's another and) that vision is contagious. It creates this massive, immeasurable, decentralized team that's not a team by any standard definition of a team but is still a team. Decentralization will always beat centralization. There are a lot of malicious assholes stealing keys through phishing, exploiting through botnets, targeting dapps, and so on. Some on chain, some off chain. When you build something there will always be someone out there acting out of greed or malice. But with decentralization Hive is made resilient. It survived that hostile takeover. There's never been another case like this one. But now there will be, and that inspiration towards the future is still a part of Hive, because for there to be someone to follow, someone has to pave the way. And Hive paved the way not in a straight line but in many linear, non-linear, abstract and so on shapes and forms.

Now I've said my piece and I'll go sleep, that's what's going on.

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Hi guiltyparties! I was given your name by @ganjafarmer, who has been generously teaching me and supporting me on Hive from just about Day 1! He told me that you've been interested in the project I'm running, the FreeCompliments Community, and I openly welcome you to join us as we continue to grow and open up new initiatives to promote mental well-being and happiness on Hive. 😊

Freecompliments is a great community and initiative!

Someone in Turkey also cares about Hive :) People are selfish and greedy, stand back and let them envy you (Hive) man and sleep well.

Speaking your heart out definately gives a sound sleep. I have throughly enjoying the platform for 6 year on the run and never felt a dull moment. But this

There's never been another case like this one. But now there will be,

Definately makes me curious to know more....am I missing something.?

When Hive came out of the hostile takeover there were a lot of heavy losses for stakeholders whose funds were stolen for really no justifiable reason. But it came out of a situation where it faced massive external pressure, an environment full of manipulation, and the entire thing started out as an insider sabotage. It overcame a protocol compromise in that and collusion of three giant exchanges. If this was a theoretical modeled case all algorithm would say it can't exist. But here we are and it exists. Looking forward, others facing impossible odds can take inspiration from Hive and not give up.

I believe you have made good decisions and surrounded yourself with the right people, which is why you have been able to achieve so much and for me it is worthy of admiration. Although I don't know you, it is obvious to me how hard you work and I see you as a key person for what we can enjoy today. There always comes a time when you get away from your personal blog because you are building the community, it even happens to me on a small scale in my niche. If Hive survived its hostile beginnings, it can survive anything; there are evil people, but there are also a lot of people who work for the community. It's three in the morning here, but I'm getting up hehe, happy night to you!...

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DE igual manera, hay un dicho que no solo del Agua y Pan vive el hombre!!! el ser humano busca una motivacion!!!! hive debe dar señales de como lograr mayores ingresos!!!

The road to hell is paved with good intentions.

You can't control everything in this world even though you've worked really hard to change it.

Thank you very much I really appreciate the platform and all the hard work that you put into this amazing place and the community.

Justina scume is quite the idiot. I'm really glad that we now have this amazing infrastructure around us and all the opportunities. I totally should have asked for more. However I'm really amazed that a lot of my ideas have actually been turned into reality by my friends here on the blockchain.

Cheers and I hope the next 6 years is as amazing as the past six and a half years has been for me!

I believe all you do for hive is because you love what you are doing and anyone who know you will say a good things about you, I know how hard you work to spread love, make this blockchain a good space for everyone. Undoubtedly hive is decentralized blockchain but there are some key person that hold this chain stand and you're one of those, you put the task on yourself to build a community, and everyone who knows the good contribution will surely give the kudos to you. But people think you're among the bag eggs here because their bad mindset towards as Hivewatcher. Honestly I remember when I told someone here the support I have from you, he don't believe it because think you're surrounded with wicked people of Hivewatcher, but that is not the case. I know you do what you are doing because you love to and no one can stop you from doing the good here.

It morning here thou.... Good Morning GP

Thanks. I know a lot of people dislike me because I ran the HW tech infrastructure. If it wasn't me, it'd be someone else, but someone has to run the servers. We just have to not think of people as either good or bad. Everyone's different and has a different moral compass. The worst phishing-related attack was understood only because a guy who spent years exploiting the blockchain with his botnets came out and helped figure things out. There's a lot of examples like this.

You're right everyone is different and have different moral. There is no how you'll know more about a person if you stay far.. Thanks for the good deed.

Well said

Proud to be part of the team

Hive is a great platform. This is a great piece. Thank you for sharing

Thank you for your hard work, man!

Very inspiring and complements what I discussed yesterday with a friend who told me that she sees Hive as disorganized and it is because she is used to the centralized world. Understanding this new paradigm is not easy for everyone.

I love your logo.

Very much in agreement with you. Hive for many is more than just a blog, it is a family, it is friends, it is understanding ways of thinking and understanding that what is ok for some is not for others and respecting that, it is entering a decentralized world that few understand.

Greetings!

why do suddenly all hive witness (, who all havent posted for around half a year) do some kind of coordinated postin?

only to inform about the HBD changes ?

I was waiting on a friend and it was late at night. I was trying to keep myself awake. It wasn't coordinated in any way.

ah.... sure... so just a little much coincidence..?

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long break and all posts (actually even about the same topic [witness/HBD]) suddenly and coincidentally in 2-4 days same time period..

damn, this is a lot of downvotes..

@enforcer may I ask? I'm interested..


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Everyone who knows him knows how hard he works for the community, he has earned the affection of many, I wish that the universe returns his effort in love and health, I esteem him and send him many blessings. @guiltyparties

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Thanks for this wonderful piece, please I have left you a message in dm on discord about a project, I would be glad to hear from you soon, if there is anyway I can get in touch with you too faster, I would be happy for that too. Thank you.

hey, not sure if you tried to buy my book on purpose or by mistake, but thanks for taking an interest :-D

Hey, its not a mistake. Do you need my email again?

well huge thanks then! You are the first to buy it on hivelist! 😃 let me know what you think 🙏

nope I never needed your email. Hivelist did. They should have sent an email with a link to the file, at least that’s what happened when I bought my own book as a test run. Let me or them know if it didn’t work.

"...with decentralization Hive is made resilient."

I completely agree. The corrolary is also true, that centralization on Hive reduces it's resilience, weakens it, and threatens it's very existence. That is a problem, because Hive is a pure Plutocracy, in which the size of one's bag determines one's power to govern, and nothing is more centralizable than money. In fact that is money's primary purpose, as legacy industry has depended on pools of capital to provide collective industrial manufacturing infrastructure upon which civil society has depended, and which enabled profit to increase the size of the bags investors possessed.

Steem proved that centralization of power is an existential threat to Hive, to the community upon which Hive depends, and Sun Yuchen showed that centralizing governance through centralizing stake on Hive can destroy the utility of Hive to the Hive community. I contend, and always have, that the real value of Hive is it's community, and the resistance to censorship that enables the community to confer, take each the others' counsel, and decide matters of consequence is of critical importance to the Hive community.

As a result of this understanding, I have long opposed opinion flagging, which demonstrably weakens the community by preventing forthright discussion of matters of consequence. Because of the plutocratic nature of Hive governance, nothing more valuable than money enables opinion flagging to censor the discussion of matters of import to the community, and this not only impacts the individuals censored, but the entire community, deprived of voices that would broaden it's discussion and avail understanding, steering discussion into a preferred narrative by substantial stakeholders.

Yesterday it was revealed that discussions have been ongoing regarding HBD interest, and decisions have been made that the community has not participated in that affect the entire community substantially. Since I disagree with the decision and have had no ability to provide reasons to those implementing that decision, because I do not swing a heavy bag on Hive, I am merely availed the power to vote with my feet. I assure you that this is not beneficial to the Hive community, and that availing the community of ample opportunity to participate in discussion of consequential matters is preferable to Hive than simply swinging a heavy bag in imposing plutocratic government.

We shall see how this works out, because Hive governors, the consensus witnesses, have no ability to restrict how the community votes with it's feet, and are limited to restricting how they participate in consequential discusssions and vote their stake. I appreciate your personal dedication to the power of decentralization to create maximally robust and competent civil society, and hope that dedication includes an aversion to centralization the demonstrably weakens and threatens Hive, by disempowering the community from forthright discussion and participation in governance.

Frankly, Hive is too centralized, and always has been. I doubt the current implementation of plutocratic power will significantly impact the community, but I am absolutely confident that some such will, and that potential reveals not only an existential threat to Hive, but blatantly reveals that the community can be better benefited through improved censorship resistance and decentralization of governance. As Hive has failed, and I fully expect Hive to continue to do so, to increase decentralization of governance, I will again reiterate that competition will arise that eventually provides a preferable governance model, and improved censorship resistance. Since I do not want Hive to fail, I counsel decentralizing governance, and increasing censorship resistance.

Thanks!

If we remove stake-based governance from discussion on decentralization we are still left with a copy of the chain on various servers all over the world and also on their backups which are often in other parts of the world. We know that, unrelated to the hostile takeover or any of that, that it is possible to snapshot the chain (as with it being possible to snapshot anything) and it's a ledger of sequence, meaning it's possible to cut the end off. Forking it is also possible and actually encouraged as its an open source project (forks are uncommon and difficult but if done right can be a non-crypto tool for exploration in development). The first thing that happened when I heard that Stinc was selling to JS was message my buddy tell him, be ready to fork. That was months prior to anything happening. The chain itself is now after all the advancements that BT's team has undertaken, particularly OBI, is second to none. It would've never reached this level if it wasn't for adversity.

Your reference to governance in relation to management of the chain is a different aspect of decentralization. With the HBD for instance, the more communication there is the better. There are people here on chain who are experts in financial strategy and its not necessarily the witnesses as our job is to be proficient in providing quality hardware and server management first and foremost. Everyone who has something to say should say it. It would be unwise and frankly stupid to disregard the advice of someone with a well-referenced argument with the weight of their education behind it. That weight is more important than the weight of a wallet and anyone with a large stake knows that financial management is not a joke. The self-censorship due to downvotes can be avoided even on chain; send an encrypted memo for instance if the message is to a specific person or small group. It is a known problem though, I'm not going to deny it, which stems from posts being all about pleasing the voter and if the voter is displeased then something is wrong. It's a challenge that has to be resolved via frontends, not via the protocol, however. This can turn into a long discussion on possible solutions which I don't want to waste your time getting into now.

I personally believe everything I wrote and I'm here and was here because of decentralization and the lack of functional censorship (I consider voting as superficial censorship) as no matter what happens, that information, whatever it is, is on the chain. It's not coming off, even with a chain like Steem with a broken protocol it's not possible to eradicate earlier records. I ran freedom of speech boards and platforms for many years and I closed down and eradicated all the backups when attacks on freedom of speech became the norm, over a decade ago now. I can't eradicate anything here and neither can anyone else as all that happens, as with the takeover, is the chain forks, it doesn't disappear. The entire purpose of centralization is to make truth disappear. Here, good luck.

What we need to improve on is inclusion and communication. No steps are going to be enough as there is no real measure of success. It's just cyclical improvement.

"The entire purpose of centralization is to make truth disappear."

Eradicating the truth is just a means to control people. It is when the truth is known to people that it has value. The No Hiding theorem that states information cannot be lost to the universe, that if local evolution destroys information at a place it yet remains to the universe because of non-local copies that can be derived from it's impact on non-local events, only matters to us.

The truth only matters to people.

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