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RE: Communism VS Capitalism - Anarchists Unite

in #anarchy9 years ago (edited)

""Communists remove the physical trade of goods" you say. Well, they intend to and they have had partial sucesses, but they never fully succeed because that would be impossible. What they do is try to prevent certain kinds of "trade"."

Yes, in reality it is impossible as every one in the collective would be contributing services or physical goods in some way, I should have specified monetary trade.

""free trade and free association are essentially the same thing" Well they are connected, but not the same. However, as you pointed out the "communists" "remove (physical) trade of goods". How they "remove" such trades and why, is why they are called socialists."

Free trade requires free association and vice versa. You can not freely associate with someone if you are restricted from also trading with them if you would like to. Again, I think this comes down to specifying removal of monetary trade. I don't have the experience that you have as being a marxist radical, as you say, but from what I understand is that they reject these types of trades for reason of opposing submission to an individuals hierarchy to gain monetary value, which I find to be a legitimate reason if that is your perspective.

As for your last point, I understand those things but that wasn't what this article was focused on. I'm not trying to promote capitalism over communism, I am attempting to show the similarities, as you pointed out. All we ever do is point out the differences and try and say who is right or wrong when there is no real answer. I am more capitalist minded, so I like to make money. But I also like to help people out just because. I have done this in the past by feeding the homeless, donating to charities, and just helping strangers that I don't know because they needed it. There are forms of capitalism and communism in both systems and your preferences will guide you to the system that works for you, and we should all be free to choose.

I am enjoying your input btw

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they reject these types of trades for reason of opposing submission to an individuals hierarchy to gain monetary value

That could certainly be one way of saying it, but this is very hard for me to say "yes" or "no" to considering how many things could be implied/disregarded in such a statement.

try and say who is right or wrong when there is no real answer

There is always right and wrong. Objective reality doesn't consider the subjective mind, but the mind must consider objective reality. --Of course, this doesn't mean that one of two people has to be wrong and the other right, that's true.

I also like to help people out just because. I have done this in the past by feeding the homeless, donating to charities, and just helping strangers that I don't know because they needed it.

Even as an Objectivist (some would disagree with that label, as I'm also an "Anarcho-Capitalist" but I find it's just another way of "government" without "a state" or "the government") yes even as an Objectivist, I'm very much in favour of helping others. As I said, Capitalists don't need to reject all forms of "welfare" in order to be capitlaists, but modern "welfarism" and statism.

A "Capitalist" in the philosophical and political sense, doesn't have to work for physical money. That's not the essense of life and actually not the essense of Capitalism.

I'm busy right now, but If you wan't more details I suggest you read my earlier comments made at https://steemit.com/cryptocapitalism/@cryptogee/cryptocapitalism-vs-cryptocommunism-the-battle-rages-on

(By the way, the tiny format of the comment window is killing me....Devs really have to change that.)

Also, if you have the time I do have an essay I have written purely on anarcho capitalism. If you go to my blog it is the post just under this one. You could read that and give your perspective on my thoughts that do promote capitalism and I would appreciate it. I am here to share perspectives and grow and I welcome your criticisms