He said:
"If you want to sell flowers out of a cart on the street, go for it. If you want to fix cars out of your garage, go for it. If you want to run a bakery, go for it.
but...but...but... private property is theft... How can you sell something that you don't own ?
How does that work then ?
You can sell other people's property, then?......ohhh, that doesn't work either...
Hmmm... I think his idea of left-anarchism is that earnings and profit can be made through the market, as long as the profit is redistributed. I suppose it shows the difference between a pro-state socialist and an anti-state one in theory anyway.
So someone, somewhere, has to decide for the individual who made his money off his labour _where_it is to be redistributed to...
So giving authority to someone, to decide how best to redistribute your stuff...if you had any stuff, cos property is theft.
Does that mean to take the product of you labor is morally ok, then - but somehow not theft?Because your labor isn't your property either of course... to do with as you wish...?
...mmmmm... more holes in this than a tea bag.
A very holey tea bag...
Not really, here's some excerpts from my essay about Mutualism.
"Since useful labor is what generates value, those who don't do useful labor, yet still profit, are exploitative. Incomes generated from loans, or just simple ownership of such and such thing are living off the backs of the working class. "
https://steemit.com/anarchy/@chamberpunk/arm-chair-anarchy-part-1-taoism-briefly-proudhon-and-market-socialism
"Now the material reality of exploitation stems from private ownership of the means of production.
Now capitalism and its' material wealth is created by commodities. Commodities are generated by the work of labor. When a commodity is sent to the market for exchange it generates an exchange value. Exchange value minus production cost(the cost of material goods needed to furnish commodities as well as the wages of the workers who actually furnish commodities) equals surplus value.
or
surplus value= exchange value-cost of production
exchange value=quantity of other commodities that the good will be exchanged for(doesn't necessarily mean the price in quantities of medium of exchange)
cost production= cost of material goods+the labor requirements
Surplus value is taken by the bourgeoisie, which is known as profiting."
Right, you're simply ignorant. Capitalism takes wealth from the working class because that's how private property operates. It's called the labor theory of value. Which was first popularized by Adam Smith.
Keep trying to think authority away, see how far that gets you bub.
So you don't have an argument, you hid behind this none sense? Kay.
So you don't have sense of humor, you hide behind quasi intellect as a shield for your own insecurity?. Kay..
You're not funny, and I'm being confrontational, not hiding.
it really depends of the individual situation.
When the capitalist mode of production first appeared there was redistribution of wealth away from the aristocracy.
https://www.ukessays.com/essays/history/the-transition-from-feudalism-to-capitalism-in-europe-history-essay.php
"Some of the internal factors that led to the collapse of feudalism include internal wars, rebellions by the common folk and inefficiency of the system as a whole. The feudal system placed heads of groups between the monarch and the inhabitants, thereby increasing tension between the common folk and the monarch. A Peasant Revolt ensued all over Europe in the 14th century, which resulted into the old system being broken up and the beginning of the modern social economy. The Revolt led to the division of national wealth among small landed entrepreneurs."
in any transformation of economics there is wealth redistribution, capitalism did the same thing, we just don't talk about it really.
You see, when we refer to private property, we are referring to production facilities.
Like factories, or larges swaths of land, or whatever else.
That is private property.
Flowers you grew in a garden, or your house are personal property.
My issue is with how commodities are produced in capitalist petty commodity production.
The large scale production is the concern, not what you do in your free time.
Maybe learn some economic terms before you embarrass yourself on the internet some more.