Anarchists are anarchists because it is the only fully moral and non-contradictory position a man can hold about himself, and other men.
yup, totally agree.
An then we have reality - whether you like it or not. It doesn't disappear because you don't like it. Shutting your eyes won't make it disappear either.
A reality that proves that this doesn't endure in the real world.
can you give me _evidence of it working over time?
I like evidence.
You might not like it, but the reality still hasn't changed..
(using human history as a comparison - is an evidence based conclusion.)
Hence ideology never works
Pragmatism and does work.
Getting close to anarchy as a system , while also understanding that it is not fully achievable..... The pragmatist is born (me).
This is what you fail to grasp.
(I would upvote, but you are not taking them...? These are good discussions...)
lucylin,
Let's discuss real world. I asked this same question before though phrased slightly differently, so let's try it again.
--Is Individual Subjective Value what successful economies are based on, or Authoritarian Theory of value?
(For the record your reply last time was good but apparently there was some depth of meaning that wasn't fully realized)
(Please notice this is not an ad hominem attack against you or your personal position, but once again against the position of statism even within the constructs of pragmatism, which may show that the position shouldn't exist as pragmatic)
It seems like when you ask an anarchist about the roads their response is generally to mock you for asking such an absurd question you damned statist.
😂😂, yup.
see above ;)
(Misthreaded comment)
I'm not @lucylin
I apologize if this replied to you, it was a reply to lucylin comment above that contained the sentence:
"A reality that proves that this doesn't endure in the real world"
It’s working right now, everyday. And even if it “wasn’t working,” it doesn’t matter. Are you able to read and comprehend English? You’ve missed the very point of the quote. Saying “we have to have a system that violates people to keep order and peace” is pure lunacy. How do you guys not get this? Jesus christ.
care to give me some actual facts to support a fantasy being a reality?
Or do you discount all of written human civilizations as incorrect?
...the blatant avoidance of discussing historical facts is worrying, (reminds me of 'it wasn't real socialism',) and a weakness in your basic premises of anarchy ever being a reality.
Which was the point of the comment.
A 'quote' doesn't make it any wiser
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Are you always so condescending when you are challenged? and this is exactly the same tone you get when communist are arguing with you, btw ...Jesus christ.
You did notice I said I agree with you totally ?
The whole point of the quote is that it matters zero whether you think societal frameworks based on consent instead of violence would “work.” It’s about right and wrong you fucking snake.
And I’m fucking sick of your condescending tone.
You don’t even know me man. You don’t know what I’ve been through. “Closing my eyes to realty.” Go fuck yourself in the face, man.
Don’t comment here again. Fucking had it. You goons deserve each other. You and Bobby “I can’t read and can barely do a Google search” 51.
Same to you, Bobby. I don’t wanna hear your retardation anymore. You’ve both taken advantage of me patiently trying to delineate why consent should be what things are based on, and not force. I’ve done this in a human way, and all you have is junior high school tier sarcasm to pay me back for my time.
...it [reality] doesn’t disappear because you don’t like it.
Bullshit, inane posturing.
No. I don’t fail to grasp what you are trying to say at all. Talking to you is like trying to tell an amoeba about gravity.
@funbobby51, Of course there will always be corruption. It doesn’t need to be institutionalized, though. I’ve tried time and again.
Some folks get it. You don’t. You low EQ fucks can fuck right off. Don’t comment here again unless you want those silly flags to be added to your comment.
Can’t tolerate this level of inhumane stupidity anymore. Over and over and over again. You artless little beetle-headed harpies think you’ve got it pegged. Just a bunch of goddamn phonies.
Get fucked. Stop spamming the thread, @funbobby51, and buzz the fuck off, @lucylin, you goon.