So, given that the various astrologies and HDS are based pretty much on the same mathematics, but organize their formalisms differently to good result, maybe we should think less in terms of physical influences, and more in terms of their being modeling languages for complex systems. In other words, they are human artifacts that are useful. Kind of changes the nature of evidence because you are now talking about something more like applied mathematics than like science. Just a thought for you all.
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