And if you did something the community disagreed with, you'd be okay with being forked out?
When it comes to blockchains and their claim on immutability, I think it's important to consider what has become a set of norms. You can create your own fork, bring all the value with you and leave the bad actor behind, if you so choose. But removing them directly, well that destroys the value proposition for everyone. That's why I didn't support a hard fork to null keys last year and I won't support it now. There are other options to consider.
Also, keep in mind, it wasn't the Steemit stake that took over the chain. It was the exchange stake. Would you fork them out too? Where does it end? Who decides?
Exchanges did that per request of Steemic Inc. To the outside world (including exchanges) Steem looks like a proprietary blockchain, owned by Steemic Inc, no matter how many times you tell them that Steem is not Steemit.
Just fork Steemit out, give it a new name. Steemit and it's stake have always been a source of discussion since day 1. But it has been tolerated long enough. They have had 4 years to prove been able to do something useful for the Steem community. They failed to do so. Instead the owners bailed, selling the company for some money.
The new owner has shown his intentions and hostility towards the eco-system. If I was responsible for the team of HQ decs quitting, for iniatiating a governance take-over by lying to my friends, for attacking long standing and appreciated members and more..
I vote for you as witness, because I believe you have the best interest for the chain at heart. I expect you to mitigate attacks on our community and security with swift but responsible measures.
Who decides? The community decides in the long term by voting witnesses. In the short term the top20 decide. Choose your decisions carefully.
Personally, at the moment it seems like the @blocktrades project is something I would be behind.
Yep. I've been (loosely) involved with the group working towards a new chain for a little while now. I would prefer all those conversations be open and fully transparent, but organizing such a large community of diverse opinions is very difficult so there's a smaller group of witnesses, stake holders, developers, and app owners that are moving things forward to new possibilities and everyone will be free to choose if they'd like to come along using their airdropped tokens. Everyone but the ninja-mined Steemit stake, of course.
You make a really valid and reasoned point man, but honestly, if it was me and I made a backroom deal to purchase a controlling stake in something that I don't control with the intent of taking it over and steering it wherever I wanted, I'd be damn ready for the other stake holders to kick up a storm, and I'd expect them to fight back. I'd honestly even assume that at some point the crazy bastards might just use the nuclear option fork me out. If you throw a sucker punch you better expect to get hit. When you start any fight, especially in a sneaky an underhanded way, you have to assume that you might lose. Justin should know that people who are invested in the crypto space take decentralisation seriously, and if he didn't expect it to come to something similar to this, he actually is a fool. I'm not trying to start a fight or anything here, I honestly agree with your points, but I also think that he didn't simply do something the community disagreed with, he tried to take over and become the de-facto controller of the community.
And if you did something the community disagreed with, you'd be okay with being forked out?
When it comes to blockchains and their claim on immutability, I think it's important to consider what has become a set of norms. You can create your own fork, bring all the value with you and leave the bad actor behind, if you so choose. But removing them directly, well that destroys the value proposition for everyone. That's why I didn't support a hard fork to null keys last year and I won't support it now. There are other options to consider.
Also, keep in mind, it wasn't the Steemit stake that took over the chain. It was the exchange stake. Would you fork them out too? Where does it end? Who decides?
Exchanges did that per request of Steemic Inc. To the outside world (including exchanges) Steem looks like a proprietary blockchain, owned by Steemic Inc, no matter how many times you tell them that Steem is not Steemit.
Just fork Steemit out, give it a new name. Steemit and it's stake have always been a source of discussion since day 1. But it has been tolerated long enough. They have had 4 years to prove been able to do something useful for the Steem community. They failed to do so. Instead the owners bailed, selling the company for some money.
The new owner has shown his intentions and hostility towards the eco-system. If I was responsible for the team of HQ decs quitting, for iniatiating a governance take-over by lying to my friends, for attacking long standing and appreciated members and more..
I vote for you as witness, because I believe you have the best interest for the chain at heart. I expect you to mitigate attacks on our community and security with swift but responsible measures.
Who decides? The community decides in the long term by voting witnesses. In the short term the top20 decide. Choose your decisions carefully.
Personally, at the moment it seems like the @blocktrades project is something I would be behind.
Yep. I've been (loosely) involved with the group working towards a new chain for a little while now. I would prefer all those conversations be open and fully transparent, but organizing such a large community of diverse opinions is very difficult so there's a smaller group of witnesses, stake holders, developers, and app owners that are moving things forward to new possibilities and everyone will be free to choose if they'd like to come along using their airdropped tokens. Everyone but the ninja-mined Steemit stake, of course.
Damnit Luke stop making sense and let me rage at centralization of wealth pls.
Hahah.
Rage on!
You make a really valid and reasoned point man, but honestly, if it was me and I made a backroom deal to purchase a controlling stake in something that I don't control with the intent of taking it over and steering it wherever I wanted, I'd be damn ready for the other stake holders to kick up a storm, and I'd expect them to fight back. I'd honestly even assume that at some point the crazy bastards might just use the nuclear option fork me out. If you throw a sucker punch you better expect to get hit. When you start any fight, especially in a sneaky an underhanded way, you have to assume that you might lose. Justin should know that people who are invested in the crypto space take decentralisation seriously, and if he didn't expect it to come to something similar to this, he actually is a fool. I'm not trying to start a fight or anything here, I honestly agree with your points, but I also think that he didn't simply do something the community disagreed with, he tried to take over and become the de-facto controller of the community.
This. Forking out users is a bad precedent. Forking out the community to an alternative sphere is the best option.