Ohh I'm definitely checking that out... I hope to hell they aren't following this path by design. Is there anyone up there with any common sense? Who the hell would pay to make a comment? (more than these few we are making to make a point)... I mean seriously, what kind of behavior are they trying to incentivize?
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I think you’re a bit hung up on the idea of “paying to comment.” We’ve been doing it all along, but they just called it bandwidth, same difference.
Delegating RCs independent of SP makes sense for sites and apps built on Steem. dApps could carve out bandwidth for their sites/customers specifically so that users can sign up at no cost and start with a fully functional experience, without delegating out precious SP.
Unless a high SP holder is running an automated comment/vote/transaction bot of some sort, they’ll never come close to using all their RC. I’d gladly delegate some to other projects.
I understand your comment and we will see how it unfolds. The fact that they gave us enough so that we didn't notice we were using any meaningful bandwidth and thus didn't notice any cost maybe made that work. Where the argument will bear out (either way) is what happened to that bandwidth we were using before... If they took it away from the 80 to 90%ers and gave it to the 1%ers, and now expect those people to start paying to get it back, then I think they will find that isn't going to go according to plan. And the point about the large RC holders delegating their newly gained RCs to the masses isn't going to fly either. This place was already bad enough in the hoops people went through to get votes to make a living, there will be very few that will jump through those same hoops to be able to make a comment or buy a steemmonster card. It might seem like a great idea to the people at the top to "lord" over the resources of the platform, but the people at the bottom will have a different view if the things they can do will change. Trust me or not, its up to you... I'm just telling you what I see and hear from many of the people on the streets (so to speak)
I wouldn’t expect end users to jump through hoops to purchase delegated RCs, but I would expect businesses on the chain to do so. A business like Steem Monsters may choose to buy RCs to make it so that actions done in their markets & tournaments don’t deduct from the end user but from the platform instead. If Steem Monsters uses a lot of infrastructure writing details of card collections & tournaments into the blockchain, delegation will allow them to foot the bill for that, build it into their pack prices, and create a seamless experience for their end users.
It’s kind of like how certain cell phone carriers will partner with music or video streaming services that don’t count toward your monthly GB data allowance. They’re footing the bill to give a customer perk.
Either way the network costs need paid. The biggest question asked about Steem is, “Where does the money come from?” and it comes from us. Facebook is going to pick up the server tab for all your actions because it has a business model that is built into. I envision many applications and businesses picking up the RC tab for their users in much the same way; but of course users here can stockpile their own resources over time, be self sufficient, and are bound to no single application.
But all that is big business conjecture. I still believe all that bandwidth wasn’t shunted into the hands of the elite, the new RC system is simply feeling out available resources vs. transaction volume. I think a normal user experience with minimal SP will be reached in the coming days.
thank you for your time and for your explanations. I understand and appreciate your point of view!
Thanks for the conversation! It’s a little quiet on Steem right now for some reason! 😂
I enjoy thinking theoretically about the application of changes like this, SMTs, etc. Its a mind bending future to try to predict, but fun!
I think I have a more relaxed attitude just from being around a bit longer. I used to be able to look at every single post made, and there was no option to follow people! I’ve been through the hard fork that changed the rewards curve and inadvertently “drained the rewards pool.” People didn’t earn rewards for a month, so this hiccup in bandwidth and voting power seems less consequential.
People who just kept doing their thing during the “great reward drought” did best. They continued to build audiences, polished their skills, and reap the benefits to this day, outperforming peers who gave up out of frustration & later came back, or consciously stopped posting for a month because there was no immediate monetary reward. That’s a lesson I carry into this post HF20 environment for sure.
I get that last point for sure... I'm not even complaining for myself btw... I have enough RC to do what I need... But there are many many of my friends that don't, so those are the people I'm hoping they address and fix... It looks like they are putting a patch to at least up the amount by 10x... that should at least take some people off the do not do anything list! I'm happy to at least see some response!
Thank you for the nice conversation and yes had it not been for this slow time, I might never have carried on this pleasant conversation with you! Nice to meet you and again thank you for your interesting insights and perspective!
I was happy to see the patch notes posted as well. At least it's a tourniquet if not a full fix!
as long as it not going to fuck up like eos ram market was i like it :)
So all day I have tried to be upbeat. Telling people things will level out. That link makes this look planned. No matter what you have to admit it looks really bad.
If that turns out to be the case it is really game over.
lets give it a few weeks and see how it shakes out... frankly I don't think they are that stupid to follow through with it even if they planned it.
Well I am allowed to speak in public again so that is an improvement. Must say all that reading of what the important people has to say was very much an eye opener.
Can I have Black?
yeahhhh... that's great! Congrats that you now your free speech again!
And black it is... do you know the name of your summoner? or any of the monsters you want? You have 20 mana... (ps if you don't know then I will guide you) ;)
I am still reading the conversations, thinking about where the platform is headed, and figuring out where I may fit into that.
I will get my head back in the cards. Learning the Steem game this week though. 🎲
Don't say it I already see the advantage of Monster mashing.
Let me get back with you on cards. Maybe I will see what I think and you can advise if I am thinking right?
hahaha... deal... and yes you can get your head around the platform and also the Monsters... I think its only guys that are limited to one thing at a time! :D
ned is trying to make steem an eos compeiter as well hence why SMT and DPOS Oracle's. with this rc delegation it be complete. this in theory would make steem more valuable but at what cost?