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RE: Capitalism: Good or Bad? (Part 1 of a Series)

in #capitalism8 years ago (edited)

Violence on behalf of arbitrary rulers is way more oppressive than me homesteading a piece of land, chief. Try again.

Unless you want me to claim my need to use your body to accomplish my ends is greater than your claim to your own body. Means of production and all that.

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So you're telling me a workplace where the people democratically on will allocate goods to each piece and allocate the resources made to each worker based on what that worker produced is less anarchist than working for a rich person giving you nearly nothing compared to what you make for him because he had enough money to "buy" the "property" that was made by another worker. A person who has never worked for it gets everything I produce because I'm on "his property" sounds like taxes to me.....

Using violence to keep what you produce > using violence to keep what others produce.

Unless you become an actual slave, working for a wage is not having everything you produce taken away from you, so let's just dispense with that right here and now. I'd also like to point out that investing in means to make individual workers more productive is, in fact, a risk on behalf of the property owner. Unless you feel that other people should just hand over their property to the community to let the community decide how to disburse it.

Secondly, in either of those scenarios, the worker is subordinated to an authority. In the former, he has the illusion of being part of the ruling class, even though a majority vote determines what he gets. In the latter, it is determined by a contractual agreement with the owner of the property and the means of production. So long as neither of them involve the use of violence to coerce him into laboring and producing, both are anarchy. One is not more anarchy than the other; your incredulity at me calling socialism a structure with a central authority in it doesn't change the fact that it has one in it.

Voluntary, consensual exchange > using violence to get what you want. I'm also waiting for you to answer the question about community ownership of your body, since that's a means of production.