Carnaval. Like in Venice and montegras in New Orleans and so? Again, think my point was not clear. I’m not saying it’s connected to Christmas. Im saying saturnalia, while has nothing in common with Christmas, it has a some similarities with Carnaval. Not saying there is a connection at all, thought.
How does Mary look like Diana? Is it the color of the eyes or what?
I’ve seen how Jesus talks about his mother. I’m not sure you have, because Luther changed or surpassed most of her passages. He even changed a part of the old testament, when it says SHE will crush the head of the serpent. To “his” …
Full of grace was the way the angel referred to her. This one it really blows my mind. Do you think her son, would like you to say things like “she looks like Diana”? You get that she was chosen by God for the most important task a human has ever had right? I’ll say it again. Do you think Jesus was a good son, and if so do you think he likes when you compare his mother, chosen by the father to diana? But tell me, how does she looks alike?
Catholic means universal, it’s form greek. No matter how you try to present it. The word means, universal. It does not have other meaning. Roman Catholic Church, catholic has the same meaning there. It’s the church for everyone. Protestants love to say Roman, roman, seems like they forget the universal. And they for sure forget the other word, since they insist on saying the complete version, Apostolic. It’s the Apostolic Roman Catholic Church.
How long was Christianity the oficial religion of the Roman empire? who forced people to become catholics? Tell me the emperor. How , when, who and where? It would be nice, to if not show references and documents, at least present a rational. I think we’re passed the point, where you think I’m not aware of the “narrative” , as such, ti would be nice to show that your point is not a narrative, but it has some basis in reality. What are these churches. Where and how are they diferent form Catholics? Why did they went quiet after catholics ? If they didn’t, how, when, where and who?
The “black legend” not sure it’s called like this in english. It was the first propaganda campaign that it’s still running. It was the catholic bad, its were the dark ages name was invented.
Yes slavery happens to this day, mainly in African Islamic areas. Yet, 2000 years ago, it was not practise in Christian (Catholic) Europe. And yes, people tend to think os slavery as the beating and so on… I personally think, it’s part of the davinci narrative. But in Catholic europe there was no salvery at all, not just the worst forms, the entire concept. People where never, consider property, it was when the servitude system was resected. In antiquity, labor was for the low low people. In the middle ages, craft was encourage to free people.
By the way, you say muslims are taking over minnesota , you should go to Europe and see. A place they where attar with for 1300 years. Since you like history, a fact many people don’t know is the biggest war. It took 800 years of brute war for the Iberian Catholics to expect the muslims form their land. 800 years. And the first battle had divine intervention (Covadonga) Another battle with intervention on the Catholic side, much later was of Lepanto. Those two are insane.
Yes, I say I’m not Catholic and I defend it. Because, we can say it came later, but it just does not match. I looked at both very carefully. Taught I would go with protestantism.
Christianity is made of: Catholics, Ortodox and Protestants. Protestantism is from 500 years agi, ortodox 1000 years ago and Catholicism was founded by Jesus. The gates of hell will not prevail. If 300 years in, the church was inverted by the romans… it surely seems like the bible would be incorrect.
Well, the reading the bible alone is a valid point. But here is something to consider. Books where not around back then. Until the writing press. Many people could not read either. The sola scripture is a bit of a bizarre idea, since books where not around. It was like every town had it’s Bible. It’s not like some people try to make it out ot be, That people could not read it and it was confiscated or so on. Alo the reading was a big celebration. It is sacred texts after all. Catholic priests are always available, specially back then There are several masses a day, every day. It’s not like people had no access to it because of the evil priests. And from this “free, I know best” reading of the bible we’ve had tings like mormonism. as well. But yeah, that’s the best Protestant argument.
Also, people tend to go, Jesus, Constantine and then bam! Protestants. The 1200 years in between are just Cathoic bad. People tend to study hebrew but don’t study ancient greek or latin… a bit bizarre. But again, that’s the dan brown narrative.
Made many points with facts of history, I gave you some sources. I think with those alone you will see things quite in a more objective manner. Gave some interesting facts that are left out of modern books and Tv shows… Pointed to tread to be pulled in case you are curious. In case you actually have an open mind.
Some people will never move away from catholic bad, despite being faced with several facts. I was almost one of those.
It seems like you want to have sex with Mary. That is insane. That is idolatry. I'm not insulting Mary. I'm not sure how you don't get that. Like, Pagans are raping Mary and you are blaming me. I'm simply letting you know that they did that to Mary. However, you're shooting the messenger. Jesus refer to Mary as woman a few times. Jesus didn't worship Mary. You should worship God.
Catholic has different meanings. You continue to lie. Catholic means universal. Catholic also means the Roman Catholic Church which did bad things and taught bad doctrines including that you can give them money to get dead people out of Hell or what they call Purgatory. You would tithe, or lets call it a form of taxes, and get your dead grandpa's leg out of Hades. So, then you would have to pay more money to get his other leg out. And eventually his whole body. Catholics have a bunch of history of bad stuff. Therefore, you either don't know all of that or you are oddly evil or something. I'm not sure why or how you could defend the Vatican. At least one of the Popes was a Jesuit, etc.
What are you trying to say about the church founded by the Apostles not to be confused with the Roman Catholic Church of the Vatican and other monsters?
Are you saying Christianity and Catholicism both teach the doctrine and belief of "PURGATORY?"
You reference wars in Europe over the centuries between different parties. I'm aware of the battles.
You said Jesus founded Catholicism 2,000 years ago. That is either a lie if you're using the normal definition of Catholicism or it's true to the extent that you really mean Judeo-Christianity when you say Catholicism. It seems like you might be in love with the word Catholic. It's like the word gay which means happy. But I don't use the word gay because people use the word gay to mean homosexual.
Likewise with gay, you might be using the word Catholic to say Universal and yet like with "GAY" you must see that "CATHOLIC" is no longer "UNIVERSAL" in the same way GAY is no longer HAPPY. Gay is not even stupid. Like, gay has at least three meanings, happy, stupid, and not-straight.
Catholic is also an English word. You said English is a new language meaning Jesus did not speak in English 2,000 years ago to say the word Catholic. Perhaps Jesus said the word Catholic or Universal. But I would not use the word Catholic because of all the evil things associated with Catholics. That doesn't mean there aren't Catholics who may be real Christians. But it does mean Catholic leaders steal too much money from the Catholic followers. The leaders are abusing their followers similar to giant evil Christian churches. Some Christian churches are evil and Pagan.
Books existed before the printing press. Period. Not as many. And before that, scrolls. Plus, hidden technology, etc. There is so much we don't know. Meaning they had things we think they didn't. The ancient world was more advance in technology and everything than we think.
Catholics were told they could not and should not read the Bible by themselves, period. That is what Martin Luther opposed.
Public schools are public but brain washes people. Catholicism brain washes people. MK-Ultra Level.
Do you want to talk about Mormonism?
You pretend as if there is no evidence to how things were. Your talking points are insane. Every time I write to you, I hint at more things. You become defensive because I'm not linking to all the things that I hint at. For example, today, I briefly mentioned Purgatory which you never brought up before. You talk so much good about Catholicism. The good that you talk about Catholicism is Christianity. So, you play with semantics. You're conflating so much while ignoring so much. Who knows what I might bring up tomorrow or the next day. I'm barely scratching the surface of this iceberg. You have the ability to see that I'm right but you hide behind the fact that I'm being nice by not showing where I'm getting all of this from and there is more where that came from.
I was writing this because I taught you where open minded and this could be an interesting conversation. But actually I should have known from your first replies that you operate from arrogance and ignorance, a horrible combination.
After this comment, I will no longer keep the conversation going. And funny that you say, I ignore things.
I'll pray that you are forgiven for the way you just spoke of Jesus mother. Sorry, you made me read such a taught, but guess that's my fault, should have known better.
So, wish you the best. Maybe one day, you'll question the narrative that is fed to you. If not, enjoy your childish narrative.
Happy new year!
So, in other words , you know I am right. You are reflecting things onto me. You are ignoring so many things. And why should I bring up more facts? Are you really a leftist?
What religion are you? You talk like you are of a certain religion. But you seem to be against Christianity. So, in other words, you are for Paganism.