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RE: I Got Flagged Three Times Yesterday. Did You?

Steemcleaners will start flagging them. There are a lot of other accounts that use steemcleaners' blacklist, so if they get on there, they'll get flagged to oblivion fairly quickly if they start posting.

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If they start posting. I haven't checked today, but I don't think that's in their plans. And in that regard, it's smart, so they don't get flagged into oblivion, but not so smart because they're voter power doesn't go as far as would otherwise. Although the hit to voting power must not be nearly as big when you flag as when you upvote, because they've hitting with 100% flags and been able to do it quite a bit each day.

VP decrease by 2% of your VP per 100% vote. So if you're at 100% VP and cast a 100 power vote, it decreases 2%.

If you're at 50% VP and cast a 100 power vote, your VP deceases only 1% because 2% of 50 is 1. Make sense? So when your VP gets lower, you can cast more votes of lesser value.

You still recharge 20% (of 100) per day.

Okay. So, yesterday from 12:45 pm to 1:14 pm one of the accounts that flagged me downvoted other people 178 times. I have no idea what their VP was when they started or when it ended, only that it's at 22.82% as I write this. Based on your numbers, does that sound feasible? I mean, I get that's how it works for upvotes. But it seems to me that's not happening here with downvotes. The first 2% would give you 25 100% upovtes, and the last 1% would give you 50 upvotes until all your voting power was gone, right? That's 75 upvotes according to my math. What's more, they did similarly for five straight days, so there's no way they were at 100% voting power during that period of time, so they've been flagging way below 100% over that period.

Sounds totally plausible. You can't actually get to 0% VP. Even if you were at 0.01% VP, if you voted again, it would only take 2% of that, so you'd probably have your VP recharging faster than you could use it at that point. They can just keep bouncing off the bottom and they'll recharge 20% (of 100, not if their current power level) every day. So if they got down to 4 or 5%, they would be back up to around 22% VP right now.

Remember, each vote (or flag) is based off the current VP. So if you cast a 50% power vote while you're at 50% VP, you'll only lose 0.5% of your total VP. At that level, you can cast 40 of those votes per day. That's assuming that you wait until the VP recharges to 50%. If you just cast them all at once, you could cast even more because the VP won't have recharged yet, so it will be based on the lower VP.

Okay, well, they haven't been throwing anything but 100% downvotes at anyone. But you're saying they could go on basically forever this way each day if they wanted to and never run out of VP. I mean, it's not going to affect anyone because they have $0.00 to start out with, apparently, but I guess when you have 0, there's nothing to lose, so you keep flagging.

Especially if they can manage to recuperate faster than they spend. What kind of infernal inversion is that?

Yes, they'll never run out of VP. It's mathematically impossible. Just like it's mathematically impossible for an offense to score a touchdown by the defense committing and offsides penalty. Or for a defense to score a safety by the offense committing a false start. It can't happen.

On the bright side, if it's at the point where it's below 5% VP, the account cant' do much damage. There aren't many accounts that can.

Especially if they can manage to recuperate faster than they spend. What kind of infernal inversion is that?

Everyone recovers 20% per day.

  • That's 0.8333% per hour.
  • That's 0.0138% per minute

If they're casting votes with 0.69VP or less, they should be recharging faster than they'll spend.... if my math is correct. That's very little VP, so it wouldn't have much effect.

Well, it's not having any effect at any stage of the process as far as any of them are concerned, which I'm chalking up to a good thing, just royally annoying. I can also see why there's been some big time flaggers calling for a reward pool for downvotes. If they can just keep at it all they want, then who needs to curate. Just go to the trending page and fire away. Whatever.

Thank you for your explanations. I get how it works now. I know it's all pretty small at the lower voting power and percentages. I see it at work every day. People dropping. $0.001. That part doesn't make any sense to me, particularly when it comes form higher SP. They can't possibly be expecting to see anything back in curation, can they?