Here you can listen to the Radio Show from WBUR 90.9 on the topic (Length: 26:21):
https://player.wbur.org/endlessthread/2018/06/29/the-call-of-the-void
Also accessible through the play symbol in the upper left corner of the WBUR article.
Also accessible through the play symbol in the upper left corner of the WBUR article.