. In fact, I have blacklisted myself, so that they (curators) can't vote me my mistake :)
respect muh dude...
I have to ask, more because I'm curious and I know you've probably thought about it already.
We know Rep score is trash-useless.
Can you imagine how a rep score that meant something would work? What metrics?
KE ratio
Try it yourself
https://beebalanced.streamlit.app/
Lower the better.
this basically says I don't sell tho...
What about how much does someone spread his/her vote?
Or... how much is someone involved in curation initiatives?
I'll give this one to you all day long. An extractor of value has no HP, for sure.
I never knew about this tool. Very cool. I looked up everyone that came to mind… I had the lowest score I could find.
Who can KO the KE of the Butt… I want to meet you 🤓
I just spent a long time entering in names, so interesting and enlightening this KE tool.
I have finally found a high water mark. Who can beat @etblink
Congrats on being such a solid hivian!
Awesome! Thanks for the support! I'm pretty proud of my KE Ratio.
I can only match it. I wonder why we have different emojis, lol.
does that mean your butt is the cleanest?
Squeaky Clean, you could invite your grandma over for dinner and eat off that Butt 😉
lol
There are some (respectful?) Hivians with 1000+ .. This is great tool to see who you dealing with.
its the opposite, the lower the number, the more belief/commitment in the ecosystem.
Curious the line of acceptable. Like what #ke is not specifically good, but not bad or ‘fair enough’.
doubt there's a consensus there...
If someone's KE is 1000, then they are not respectable.
Sure thing I understand the tool should say so called "Respectful"
While I believe rep is useless (our top 10 rep users are the worst users on Hive like SteemCleaners, KingsCrown, SteemSports), I am not convinced KE is the solution. It is probably a better metric than Reputation, but there are many reasons to sell, and once the tokens are in a users wallet they are free to use do what they want with them. I don't think it's a bad idea to use a users stake to decide if users are committed to Hive, it's not always a black and white thing. Many people have their reasons and I wouldn't look down on someone who is struggling in life, but is producing good content in the community.
That being said, reputation is absolutely useless and is only a measure of how many upvotes a user has received.
Rep can only do one thing...if it is above 70 you know that the user is around for a while, enough to know that some things aren't good ;)
KE also fails to differentiate between cashing out and giving Hive away. I do that a lot, almost every day. That increases my score. Donations to other Hive users shows the opposite of what the KE score is trying to capture, financial self interest, that KE uses selling Hive for cash as a proxy for. This is a weakness in KE, although one that would be insuperably difficult to account properly. It would be impossible to determine whether Hive or HBD sent to another user was payment for something received off chain, as you surely are aware.
Rep is really a personal matter. As you point out, some of the worst people get the highest rep (just like in real life), and that's because institutions are inhuman and can't represent human values. How you regarded someone might be meaningful to me, but how Trending regards someone is not valued by me (it might even reduce my regard for them), and that's what the current reputation metric reports.
I agree. KE is not a solution for rep.
Eerm... ahem...
lol, nice try Mr 500 drunks. Not sure who’s KE ratio that is… but it taint yours … here is you
Hahaha, well, I knew that you were not going to resist and you were going to want to confirm it. But how distrustful from you!! Eh?
Well, believe it or not, that KE Ratio is of one of my main Alter Egos with a remarkable reputation obtained exclusively through its highly valuable philosophical content in the entire history of the blockchain.
Ripley may believe it. But I do not
and I can answer you all day long, because I know all the answers :)
Already have another tool for that :)
https://hivetasks.com/@meno
There have been a lot of talks about redoing rep, but it's really difficult as there isn't valuable metrics. Votes are financially motivated and usually poorly executed, follows is a good option but would easily be abused if used, same with page views, content quality isn't really usable and subjective. Most things are easily bypassed by just making a second account. So while we have and hate Reputation, and it's been talked about being replaced many times, I don't see anything changing.
Steem UA was suppose to fix it, but it was flawed from the start as it was just a poor execution of Google Page Rank poisoned by using Witness votes as the seed.
What are your thoughts on KE?
It’s a tool like everything else. If you know what it is (a measure of how much someone has earned vs sold) it provides information. It is not conclusive though. Just because someone sold (their choice, their funds) doesn’t make them a bad person or bad user.
that's exactly my point. I respect Azircon's position on this- he's looking at it from a long-term investor's angle. But Its not enough info to "make the call" so to speak.
Never seen someone downvoting because of a high KE. Would you ban someone from your company because they didn't brush their teeth regularly? This person may have some reasons not to do it. But they still get noticed and miss some opportunities because of that.
It's a crude metric to asses the value of someone. As you hint, it should not be the only thing we should look at.
Everyone has a way of thinking and priorities. I don’t think it’s a bad tool to use.
I agree with Marky here, just because someone sold one time or two does not make him an extractor. If they do earn much, that dent in KE will stay for a long time.
Again it's a simple tool, it's easy to understand. It gives you a quick measure of a behavior. Someone with KE = 1 and KE = 1000 are certainly different and that is what I am after. It is not a labeling tool.
I personally judge reputation exactly the same way as I do with people offline - their behaviour and interactions with others and me over time. I don't pay a lot of attention to the reputation number next to someone's account name. That's a starting place, but really only tells you that they've posted a lot, they've been voted a lot and, as other commenters have said, there are a range of motivations about why people vote for them. Conversely, a low reputation on an older account might only tell you they've fallen out with someone - or someone has fallen out with them.
There are tools you can use to help inform your judgement nd check a new-to-you account, but I would be much more keen to encourage accounts to grow relationships online slowly and with care.
That's exactly what reputation actually is. However, that estimation people we respect accord someone might influence us, at least until we have some familiarity with them ourselves, and can form our own judgement. In that sense a reputation score from someone besides us has some small utility.
I agree, it's a starting place.
I guess where I'm going with this is the following abstract idea:
"Imagine we had a reputation score that reflected the right behaviors. A fitting evolution of hivebuzz if you (gamification). Simple to understand, maybe difficult to implement (to be expected)- setting the tone for a culture of a kind."
I understand.
not totally, it has it uses, but not its original design. I use it in a variety of plots. You can look up my posts.
could you drop me a link on your post about this? here in a week or so we are going to have @arcange in the hive thrive show, and I want to suggest implementation of new badges based on more useful metrics.
https://peakd.com/hive-133987/@azircon/governing-dynamics-20
KE was first defined here
https://peakd.com/hive-133987/@azircon/governing-dynamics-20
This is awesome stuff... I think implementing a new score displayed next to our handles is a lot easier than I thought.
Listen, I tagged you under a comment made by Basil. (I'm not tagging you for upvotes, I promise) I would love your input on his idea. I think it's great.