If you had been part of the discussions/been a consensus witness, would you have proposed an alternative 'measure' or would you have proposed to not do anything?
I'm personally understanding more and more of the motivations behind the actions taken and am starting to understand and even appreciate more and more what has been done by the top witnesses, although I keep also hearing that little voice in the back of my mind telling me it wasn't up to us to tell Sun what to do with his (!) stake. It's definitely a tough one.
he was.
Really? THen that reaction shouldn't have been from his end.
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This made me jump (?) to the conclusion he wasn't - had to go from the text as I can't listen to the vlog right now.
Yeah that’s the problem with his narrative 🙂 he was involved in all of it and still decided to share absolutely false statements. Which is quite unfortunate
This is why we need transcripts of discussions held behind closed doors. I understand the need for secret discussions especially in this case, but ‘The People’ should be able to form their own opinions on what/who/how ‘The Elite’ discussed behind closed doors.
I understand the want for transparency and agree, as with the foundation it was made sure everything was transparent, which actually is a double edge sword.
Whether we like it or not, when it comes to security of the chain, not all information can be public.. but do agree that many of the factors and details of what was done should be made public so that these false narratives (that I think are harmful) can stop.
As far as “the elite” discussing things behind closed doors.. I’m not sure that is fair wording. Over 60 individuals, making up of most witnesses (many many back ups), stake holders, and community members started chatting in an open telegram. Meaning anyone could he invited there, and many “non elite” were invited. Once the conversation became hard to follow, a slack was created (by 2 back up witnesses) and the open link was dropped. This was not, invite only, and there was no only inviting on certain people. When the threat had become something that many felt needed to combatted, there were additional attempts to ensure ALL top witnesses were there (who had ignored the invites previously) as well as anyone who was beneficial on a code level.
So I guess my question is, who are the elites? Or are witnesses not elected to make these decisions? Should all users been invited, therefore opening up to even more of a security issue? (As coding cannot be public). Should the discussions have gone on on chain? Would that have been the correct way to ensure any threat was removed? I guess I’m just not really sure how this can be seen as something the elite did behind closed doors. In fact it’s the most I’ve ever seen a large group made of individuals from all different backgrounds and stances, work together on the one thing they can agree on - the chain needs to be protected from any potential threats. That’s the job.
None of this is a political play, even though I’m sure many individuals have their own goals.. but the goals in that room were to secure the chain, that’s it. And some of that just can’t be done on a public forum.
I’m someone who believes in open communication and quite frankly if I can complain of anything about this, I’d wish for even more communication.. but I also think most witnesses wrote their own posts to share their reasoning as well as jointly worked on the announcement post. So I agree more communication is always good, I guess I’m not sure exactly what individuals would like to hear more of, or what would truly be beneficial. I’d love to hear your thoughts.
I hope that makes sense.. I’m rambling on mobile 👀
I’m not as good as you in rambling on phone, so I’ll keep it shorter, but my wish really is ‘simple’: to keep communications closed when needed, but publish them when the secrecy is not needed anymore. In an earlier event where I was able to read transcripts ‘after the fact’ myself I learned a lot about who had what intentions - That’s easier to hide/reword in a post you can think long and hard about.
I know you’re pro-communication, and appreciate that, but currently I have gotten most and most important info waaaaaaaaaaay off-chain by asking and messaging, and that’s not how I want to be informed. This whole thing therefore had been super frustrating and worrying to me and it took me a week to really feel like I was able to put the pieces of the puzzle together.
I appreciate that stance and agree to a point, I’ve tried to take a very back seat approach to this and therefore have answered questions when asked, but otherwise let others speak publicly. Perhaps I’ll try to push for more clarity, or last resort.. provide it myself.
Thanks and I hope you’re well.
He is and always has been a sniveling twat... BBQ n beer to the moon hey u muting ass clown Muppet
I was invited to the last few days of the discussion.
I asked questions but didn't read the whole previous discussions. I informed the blockbrothers about it and we decided that we didn't want to go this route.
Because of the nature of the matter, I was asked to keep it confidential until matters were settled which I respected.
I personally would have preferred to wait for more information because a temp freeze I considered a step of last resort but now that we are here I am hoping that all parties involved can come to an agreement fast.
In my previous video, I should have explained the motivations of the freeze by the top 20 and advisers more, I tried to rectify that in this video.
Fuck your stake dumbass
Thanks for the reply - It was a tough one for all involved. It wasn’t my preferred route either but then I learned (amongst others) how Sun reacted on attempts of communication and started seeing how waiting wasn’t really an option anymore. I’m hoping for a quick resolution and March 6th to be filled with decisiveness and not empty talks especialle from the Tron/Sun team towards us.