Libertarians believe that bigotry should be legal, because we want the bigots to out themselves. Personally, I want to know which bakers don’t want to bake cakes for gay couples so I can open up a non-bigoted bakery directly next door. Let’s allow those ideas to compete in a free market; I bet we’d eradicate that sort of thinking within a generation.
When an activity becomes illegal it only pushes the activity “underground,” or into a black market. We know this doesn’t eradicate a thing, but just keeps it under the surface to grow and fester outside of the eyes of “polite” society.
So, what is the libertarian solution? Allow these ideas to compete on the free market. I won’t give money to businesses I fundamentally disagree with. And neither should you. I’m happy to do business with folks who express tolerance as a core principal. It is, after all, their property.
Exactly, Judge Andrew Napolitano talks extensively about this in depth in his book "It is Dangerous to be Right When Your Government is Wrong." He dives into Westboro Baptist Church. Stupid people should be allowed to show exactly how bigotted they are.
As a lesbian, I personally would like to know who my enemies are. I have been in to many situatuon where people will not serve or work with myself or friends because of there sexual orientation. I would say right on go ahead and show your nasty colors.
Do you know it takes hate from yourself to have an enemy some people think homosexual activity is evil a common mistake most people make about religion is actually hatred for evil and enemies... so not only are you mistaken but also you're a legendary hippogriff I'm impressed with the immense resilience to the pain of cognitive dissonance
I don't care if someone is Straight, just as long as they act Gay in public. This way the world will be more colorful, have more fun parades, and every corner of our clean houses will be lit with track lighting.
I think the scent of buttholes would be a cologne and it would seem more colorful because everyone is strung out on drugs parades every day at the methedone clinic... IDK wtf track lighting is but I hope it catches fire from shotty homo-diy electric work due to limp wrists not being able to stretch electrical tape...
Let assholes choke themselves to death on freedom of speech. I just wish the social justice warrior crowd would realize this!
This remind me of a picture of the internet of some crust punks sitting by a sign that read:
"-No racism
-no sexism
-no homophobia
-no fascism
-no meat
-no cops
Viva L'Anarchie"
The irony isn't lost on me.
It's not bigotry to refuse to bake a cake for a gay couple, it's their constitutionally protected right to practice their religion just as it's gay peoples constitutionally protected right to get married. Refusing to bake a wedding cake does NOT stop gay couples from getting married but forcing a baker to participate in the design, preparation and delivery of a wedding cake does stop them from practicing their religion.
I would consider it bigotry, but the point is that I believe those businesses have the right to be bigots. Even if I am incorrect over what is and what is not bigotry. I get to make that decision and choose to support which businesses I want to support.
You are wrong on so many levels. "constitutionally protected right to get married?, which amendment is that? "does stop them from practicing their religion", yes, it does. It violates their belief system as part of their religion. Government should not have a role in any of this I see being discussed. Stop it with the thought that if you believe something and others should too or I'll have my big brother with a gun fix this for me. Get off my lawn. How long did it take you to dream up all that tripe? You certainly did not reason it out and never likely will.
That would be the fourteenth amendments equal protection clause. Look it up, that's how it went before the Supreme Court. The first amendment protects religion. This is the first time in our country's history that one constitutionally protected right crosses over another. (I am not religious nor gay) I am just stating my opinion, refusing to bake a wedding cakes does NOT prohibit gay people from getting married, I think the court will rule along those lines. I think the court will rule the same they did with the guy who sued a doctor for talking about guns. The court ruled there was sufficient access to doctors therefore it didn't justify infringing upon the doctors free exercise of free speech. I think it's possible they will say the same thing about wedding cakes, there's sufficient suppliers of cakes it doesn't justify infringing upon the free excise of one's religion. We'll see shortly, June is fast coming upon us here, a decision will have to be rendered by then.
BTW, sunlit7, are YOU going to force them to bake it? Do you want someone else to do your dirty work......ya....that's what I thought.
The way I feel about it is like this: I think most religious people are hypocrites, they think they can get away with sinning then turn around and ask for forgiveness. People who are religious who put their whole livelihoods on the lines are a bit different. Most religious people would just bake the cake, the one's who would rather face losing their business, savings, homes, etc., in my opinion, truly abide by their religion. They don't put other things before their god(s). They can't help themselves just as gay people claim they can't help themselves for being gay. Neither one of them deserves to destroy one another.
Very true. If its hidden it still goes on but unchallenged and unspoken about 💯🐒
Open discussion = open for criticism
Highly rEsteemed!
What about an intentionally xenophobicismist bakery that sells donuts without holes next to a gay bakery... Or a ww2 Nazi themed donut shop (mein bearclaw?)next to a kosher bagel shop
In regard to the picture above: this person believes that there is no such thing as evil. Lives in a dream world of puppies and unicorns. I hate her/it/him/L/B/G/T/w/t/f/ for this stupid, stupid, stupid thinking. It will take tragedy in it's world to change their mind, serious tragedy.
The picture above is of my best friend and her puppy and she believes none of the things you just said.
Any suggestions how to undo the Supreme Court rulings on this matter, so we could do this?
Dissolve the federal government.
Do you propose ending the rule of law too? Or let the states decide these matters?
And would you reject the Constitution too? Because that's what I was addressing: the Supreme Court's interpretation of the Constitution...where the federal government was formed...except for the illegal parts...
I would dissolve the federal government entirely using a three step process:
I love the ideas espoused in the constitution, but the government has never followed it. We should stop pretending like it was ordained by god. It wasn't. It has either created the government we have today, or has been powerless to prevent it. Either way, it is unfit to exist.
I think we will develop an alternative system based on block chains, like Steemit...we could vote, decide on specific issues. Stealing a quote: "governance bases on math."
We definitely need to de-centralize.
Or we'll get wiped out by nukes during WW3.
Holding my breath.
I’m fine with that. In the political world we’ve chosen to use the word “Localization” instead of “de-centralization” because it has more of a feeling of home.
Recently me and my girlfriend got dinner with a couple of ultra liberals/progressives.They told us all about thier veganism, meeting at a hippy retreat and traveling India.
I mentioned that I encouraged my girlfriend to quit smoking and she did successfully and I was very proud of her! A few minutes later the other girl announced that she was going outside for a cigarette, upon getting up she flashed my girl the most venimous, spitefull look * I can do what you can't!*
These really progressive types who are into...
No racism!
No homophobia!
No transphobia!
...Always end up being petty, undercover bigots
Not my point. My point is that businesses should be able to decide their ethics, not government.
The quickest way to defeat a bigot’s ideas is to let them talk themselves out because people will see that they are speaking from a place of insecurity and weakness. Strength is in letting someone else be themselves when you don’t agree with them instead of trying to control them.
i hate NIGGERS