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I'm not saying oh in a few years the ozone opens up and we all burn I'm saying the slight changes even by 1 degree affects the economic output of a certain country. Let's say Egypt gets 1 degree hotter, they produce less food a lot of Egyptians will need to move to places that can sustain them.

I'm not all concerned with sea levels rising and all that, those things have been in flux for millennia, what I'm saying is climates always change, we the ones that refuse to change and think we need to change climate.

As for pollutants, that's an entirely different story, a lot of which is unnecessary

Very few people seem to be willing to state whether they are saying global averages are rising or dropping.

Here in nz glaciers are growing, sea levels are dropping, and it's colder than it was 40 plus years ago.

Exactly the world isn't one set function its dynamic and as one region changes the other does so to compensate. Not saying its an excuse to fuck up the planet but there's more too this than the climate change activists want us to believe

The sea level aspect is a killer though - we all share that, and rising sea levels mean the planet as a whole is cooling. NZ is not a good place to see that because we go up every time there is an earthquake, so in Wellington it looks like sea levels have dropped about 2m in the past 200 years because of the huge earthquake in 1860, but photos taken on the Australian coast are very revealing.