On leaving. People have seen flying saucers come up out of the ocean, or sink into rock at places like Sedona, AZ. There may be no way out going up.
Musk's rocket like to make splashes and leave wakes above our heads.
Humans have flying saucer technology (but not the stuff for going into the ground) and people have made videos of them flying around. If that exists, why are we still using rockets?
I love what amateur rockets and balloons show us.
We have all these disparate pieces of data, and no good theory to put them all into.
The problem with NASA's lies is that there is some truth in it, else we would see through it instantly. What is the truth they are showing us? What is the truth they are hiding?