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RE: The Hive Whitepaper and updating the DPoS protocols for downvoting with a community proposal.

in Informationwar3 years ago

Yes the spam and plagiarizing is the issue I worry about. Blurt has no downvotes, I wonder how they will deal with that when the time comes.

Steem had a huge spam problem that was largely taken care of via downvoting at the time.

I agree that downvotes right now are being misused though.

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Maybe the fact that on blurt you have to pay something for every interaction slows that. You have a pay a little to post and comment so maybe that will help stop mass abuse all platforms will have some spam. I mean Facebook managed for decades with spam. I think maybe being able to block people or build communities with mutual ‘friends’ could help. Maybe we need to let society sort itself. I mean if people plagerise you can still sue them.

I think maybe being able to block people or build communities with mutual ‘friends’ could help. Maybe we need to let society sort itself.

sorry the REST of this community is SO SLOW at catching up.

"THEY" absolutely make things WORSE when "THEY" determine THEMSELVES the protector of everything and everywhere...
It's SICK, IMHO.

HIGHEST Regards!

Which is why I am aiming to eliminate how large stake holders bias can affect the community through downvoting in a non transparent way by simply getting rid of downvote option or engaging in productive conversations for solutions that are productive and not isolating to both parties.

absolutely I have noticed the main thing is a lack of understanding or discussion just a sense of if you don't do what I do or say, or don't believe the same things as I do then your a bad person unworthy of any income. There is no discussion or trying to understand where everyone is coming from. I have just seen lately people seem to judge those who are not 100 percent powering up, some people need to use their earnings to invest in materials to improve, some to live off, the site was developed with a 50 50 split to enable people to have an investment and an income simultaneously. Yes it's amazing when people can invest everything they earn and wait for maturity of their earnings, at which point they too will withdraw their money. But someone is not lesser for not doing that. I feel like people are not looking at the fact everyone is not them, everyone doesn't have their exact same life set up etc. I mean it is fine of course to choose not to vote for people who do not do the exact things you deem to be acceptable/ worthy but quite another to be able to take away all their earnings. I really wish you success with this and I support it. I want to love hive I really do , I don't want to feel dread and fear logging in. I actually think having more than one platform helps the space, it brings more awareness to blockchain platforms and encourages improvement and growth. Costa and Nero and Starbucks do not hurt one another, if anything they all contributed to the take away coffee sector growing.

Sometimes it does look like there is a total lack of empathy and understanding from some of the downvoters - to the point of bordering sociopathy in some cases.. However, at the same time, the combination of avoidance of commentary, posturing of superiority and general anti-social psychology tends to also point my mind in the direction that some of them are carrying out an agenda under the guise of being unthinking asshats.

it's highly possible just like in the gov there are some at the very top energetically manipulating people to serve for them and fight amongst one another by pulling a few emotional strings. When people are easily triggered by things and have strong emotional reactions and jump into attack and defend very easily, those people are easy to be controlled to work for the people at the very tops agenda, even if they don't realise thats what they are doing. Have you ever read the hermetic principles? I mean we have all been manipulated through our emotions since the dawn of time, it wouldn't surprise me if there are some behinds the scenes doing it here as well. It's so easy to get people to just continually fight amongst one another whilst cleaning up the wealth. Crypto has big money now you can see the markets are manipulated all the time to trigger panic selling and buying.

Absolutely, though the networks of 'unloving essence' are not limited only to the most wealthy or 'powerful' in society - there is a hidden side to this which involves people at all tiers of society denying their own power and thus being unloving to themselves. The ones who 'call the shots' mostly only have denied power of other people to work with. We need to include our own will and self within the definition of love - something that has been frowned upon by confused people since the beginning.

The problem, in general, is a lack of acceptance for real emotions and this has led to the vast pools of unprocessed emotions that tend to degrade into terror/rage and hate over time as they feel more and more rejected. This is why we find seemingly small triggers sometimes exploding out of all proportion in a person who is very backed up (the origin of many murders, road rage and wars). Anyone who is out of balance due to denial will find that they are open to becoming a puppet for some other entity, yes.

Knowing who we are and our connection to 'all that is' is necessary to remove the fixation on money and to know that it is only a symbol of abundance that is not really necessary at all. That being said, we are in a grey area where many people already know this but many others don't and we don't yet have a majority who are headed for liberation.. So, we have these 'interesting' clashes happening.

I am fairly clear that Justin Sun's activity was CCP orchestrated as Steem was the only real free speech network on the web at the time.. He just happened to come out of Wuhan and buy Steem to censor it just as COVID19 'happened' in Wuhan. I also experienced Tribe.net getting shut down by Cisco (CCP allied) years ago too - so I am under no illusion that the same thing could be happening again here and may continue to happen until we find a solid fix.

In the case of Hive, being able to create (fork) individual niche communities on Hive should make each community as defendable as Steem was overall, once it was forked into Hive. Fun times ahead! lol

It is frustrating as a dualistic mirroring effect happens to the person being downvoted or seeing the downvotes daily.

...avoidance of commentary, posturing of superiority and general anti-social psychology tends to also point my mind in the direction that some of them are carrying out an agenda under the guise of being unthinking asshats.

I take all attacks on me as an opportunity to find the parts of myself that need nurture and balanced as I know we attract most of what we experience, one way or another. I know we are all one - so there's no point in attacking anyone - that said, I haven't yet got to the core of this matter in me ;)

Thank you as well! This proposal already is getting more support than expected! Ultimately this is about spreading awareness and having productive conversations to implement healthy and sustainble changes to our beloved chain. It is people like you that helps keep this attitude within me and others alive with postive comments and attention! Thank you for being you!

I completely agree, I have my opinions others have theirs it doesn't mean any of us are 'right', is there even such a thing as right, but just different perspectives. A lot of people seem unable to see other peoples perspectives and have a healthy discussion about them, I mean we could all be better at that for sure, me too, but probably if opinions are too different its best to just maybe not interact with that person. My relationship with my partner is super harmonious because on most core things we think the same and the things we don't we just accept about the other person without trying to change one another. If we were too different in opinion on huge core issues then it would be a pretty sad and toxic connection. There is nothing wrong with just accepting some people are too different in mindset to connect with, that doesn't make you or them right or wrong. It doesn't mean you have to 'punish' them, I have seen people getting taken to zero just because they believe the earth is flat, I mean so what?! lol

Yeah creates a very unhealthy environment when the comment section is not utilized but rather downvotes more so than not in lieu of discussing grievances with the content that may prevent downvotes.

I like the thread with @pfunk and I here and think there is another solution involving @hivewatchers dao, maybe @patrice and pfunk working together or just pfunk to produce a document outlining this issues and being able to act as community collectively in a more healthy way.

are you guys on discord?

I do not like discord. I just rejoined Neoxians group on the secure Matrix.io chat.

The city is now located in Element chat
Please visit us in Element. https://element.io/
Element information:
My id there is @neoxian:matrix.org
Neoxian city chat: #cityofneoxian:matrix.org

I love this community. More blockchain gaming peeps but still other content is thriving in their community. Matrix can be annoying to set up but it is secure.

thankyou for your support on my posts btw <3.i need to recharge my vote did way too much curation over the last two days as been at home.

Oh its fine... today my hive power delegation ends and have been exhausting my HP past two days to utilize last bit of HP. I have a @dynamichivers account I will be reviving andcurating/posting with again. Will be more art centered but there are people like @ura-soul I need to support and engage with more.

<3 your a gem.

So now I talked about this cura angel came for me lol Bring on these new systems

My discord is dynamicgreentk#1126