Perceiving 6% of COVID deaths from healthy people, fatality rate of 0.018%

in Deep Dives4 years ago

CDC releases weekly updates on the COVID-19 illness. It includes data of various kinds, like how the illnesses affect on demographics. Last weeks report had some poignant updates. What would that be?

Only 6% of all alleged "COVID-19 deaths" in the US are from only COVID-19 being listed as the cause. Yup. That means 94% of all the alleged COVID-19 deaths are from people who already had pre-existing medical conditions.

Table 3 shows the types of health conditions and contributing causes mentioned in conjunction with deaths involving coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19). For 6% of the deaths, COVID-19 was the only cause mentioned. For deaths with conditions or causes in addition to COVID-19, on average, there were 2.6 additional conditions or causes per death.

So what does this mean? It doesn't mean SARS-CoV-2 or whatever is actually causing people to get sick and some die as a result, isn't something to be concerned about. But how concerned should you be? Well that depends.

Are you healthy? Are you old? Do you have health issues?

Lets crunch some numbers.

The number of alleged deaths from COVID-19, or whatever is causing it, is 188,681.
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/

6% of that is 11,320.86.

That means of the total amount of alleged deaths, 11,320 of them are from apparently healthy people no other medical condition listed on the cause of death. This also assumes an accuracy of a PCR test which is known produce false positives, and also say your are infected when you barely have any virus in you and doesn't make you sick or contagious.

What is the Infection/Case Fatality Rate for the healthy, then?

6,250,110 total cases
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/

The IFR for the apparently healthy is 11,320.86 / 6,250,110 = 0.001811 = 0.018% or 0.02%.

That's your risk of dying from allegedly contracting SARS-CoV-2 for it to be severe enough to develop into the COVID-19 illness and result in your death. You have a 0.02% chance of dying from contracting COVID-19 if you are healthy.

In other words, you have a 99.98% chance of survival. Is that really dangerous to you? Is it?

Check out the graph of age ranges to see who are the ones that should be concerned:

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Ask yourself, is the whole lockdown, social isolation, forcing people out of jobs, forcing people to wear masks that harm our health, worth it? People who don't have symptoms are not the spreaders of the alleged viral illness. But that doesn't stop people from believing it anyways.

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This is why I do not trust numbers being bandied about because they can be made to say what a person or group wants them to say. From your worldometer link:

  • Coronavirus Cases:
    *6,257,320
  • Deaths:
    *188,877
  • Recovered:
    *3,496,655

The first batch of numbers presented in really big bold headlines. They are totally meaningless, when you look down further. There is a missing number

  • 2,760,665
    • What happened to those people? Are they still sick?

So the numbers are pretty meaningless especially when one starts to try and show percentages. The first set of numbers make it look like only 188,877 people died out of the 6.2 million, but that is not the case. 188,877 people out of 3,685,532, (Cases which had an outcome), died. The other 2.7 million are not mentioned.

Or, maybe, your analysis is entirely too superficial. One thing that occurred to me right away was to look and see if you were conflating pre-existing conditions and multiple causes. This appears to be the case. For example, it looks like many covid patients also get pneumonia.
In such cases, they're going to report the patient as having multiple health problems, even though covid was the cause of the pneumonia.

I didn't spend much time on this issue, because I actually do tend to trust health professionals to be better informed on the subject than the average person who decides to write a blog post from a likely biased point of view. But even so, just using the link from your post to identify the most common secondary health issue and a quick search of the web, I was able to figure out where your math went badly wrong: https://www.webmd.com/lung/covid-and-pneumonia#1

Yes, you are correct. Some of the people who develop pneumonia can have had it because of COVID-19. And some have it because of the flu or other respiratory illness. A test positive result for SARS-CoV-2 doesn't mean you have COVID-19. Many results are false positives, and some are positive without even being sick. This information has been coming out in the msm. When COVID-19 began being reported, the flu dropped off from reports in April 2020, months before other years. It's almost as if cases of the flu were being reported as COVID-19, as per the CDC guidance to presume or assume COVID-19 just because you think it is, as one can easily say the flu symptoms are COVID-19.

So if someone died of pneumonia, it doesn't mean it's COVID-19, but it could be. If you have pneumonia, you have another illness, making you not healthy. What I said was that the 6% of people dying of only COVID-19 as per their death certificate are assumed to be previously healthy. If you have another illness, you aren't previously healthy. Did you also know that some of the additional causes of death included with some COVID-19 death certificates, include poisoning, injury or even self injury? What does COVID have to do with you dying from poisoning or suicide? Yet that gets counted as an alleged "COVID death".

Here's the statement early in your thesis that was fundamentally flawed, IMO:

That means 94% of all the alleged COVID-19 deaths are from people who already had pre-existing medical conditions.

But a cause of death isn't necessarily a pre-existing condition.

Since you were polite in your reply, I did some quick research tonight. 55000 of the death certificates in question had "respiratory failure" listed as a cause of death. This is apparently because they typically list the physiological process which caused the death. Of course, it is not difficult to deduce that most of those respiratory failures were caused by COVID-19.

To your 2nd point, about mis-diagnosis of flu deaths as covid deaths, I suppose it certainly can occur in some cases. I don't know how many times they re-test a patient with serious problems to see if he's actually suffering from something else and only had a single false positive test that pointed at covid.

But I think it's obviously false on the face of it to assume that the flu can account for a large portion of the deaths assigned to covid. First and foremost, this is clearly not true just because we didn't have nearly so many flu deaths. In 2018-2019, we had 34,000 flu deaths in the entire year. In the previous year, we had 61,000. As a macabre side note, those numbers are from a rather laughable US News & World report from Jan 2020 where the author was literally trying to convince us we should be more worried about the flu than coronavirus (that's the title of the article).

Now I know you mentioned other things listed on the death certificate such as poisoning, injury, and self-injury. Injury seems pretty basic to me: people suffering from serious diseases are much more prone to injury. And I suppose someone in a suicidal state of mind is much more likely to be suicidal when suffering from a debilitating illness. And more likely to accidentally poison themselves by ingesting something they shouldn't due to lack of mental acuity (e.g. mixing up pills).

There's many possible explanations, and we just don't have the facts to analyze the data. But the doctors who wrote these reports did have the data. And they made their determinations as to whether to classify the deaths as covid deaths. So, short of analyzing the data myself, I think it only makes sense to assume that the doctors that made these determinations are likely correct in their assessments.

Now it's possible you believe that we're being presented with false data by the medical establishment for ulterior motives. You didn't say anything like that in your post, however, so I didn't think it worth addressing. But if you do think that is a root issue which undermines my argument in the previous paragraph, I'm happy to debate the point.