Never mind over 20 million fake people voted in 2016 against Trump. Over 100 fake votes are voting against Trump illegally in 2020. Way over 100 million in an already close race. They're stealing it from Trump like they did in 2016, the popular vote that is.
Never mind over 20 million fake people voted in 2016 against Trump.
Oh my God... You really do believe those ridiculous conspiracy theories, don't you? Or that the Russians did it. Or Russian bots. Or that there's a secret plot by far-left professors trying to destroy American culture... Wow...
I will say the sky is blue and you will say that is a conspiracy theory which the CIA termed, the CIA coined the phrase, the idiom, the wording, "Conspiracy theory" in the 1960's for example. You are either really dumb or really evil. Not sure which of the two you are yet. I'm saying that because you might as well say 2 genders is a conspiracy theory. George Washington is a conspiracy theory, right? How do we even know George ever existed, right? Let's not even talk about China. In America, in 2016 and especially 2020, there is voter harvesting where a single person ends up collecting the names of Hulk Hogan's friend's pet, the names of dead people, other names, and they fill out the forms and register to vote and/or end up getting all of these mail-in ballots and they fill them out and send them in to vote against Trump. Plus, in 2016, they would find many thousands of Trump ballot boxes on the side of highways. In other places, they were caught on camera shredding the ballots up in 2016. The list goes on and on. The evidence is overwhelming. There are documentaries, books, etc, all about it. 2020 is and will be a million times worse and they said they will not concede to Trump when Trump wins. Even Hillary Clinton said on camera in a video interview in August of 2020 that Biden must not concede in November of 2020 when Trump wins. Other people are saying the same things in actual videos. You could go right now and watch the videos and then go on Twitter and go to their Twitter pages to see them saying what they already said in the videos and then you can call them all conspiracy theories.
Trump won't be the only one trying to rig the elections. I don't know why anyone thinks it will only be him, when the Dems have amply demonstrated they will pull plenty of dirty tricks to win as well, such as continuing the covid con, which is doing grave harm, far graver than that stupid virus.
I don't hate Trump at all. I hate Trump hate, and assumptions that everything he does is self-serving, nefarious and racist. These assumptions are untrue. I do not think he is doing anything to rig the election although I didn't quite go as far as to say that in my comment, so as not to come off as unnecessarily combative.
I also hate the lockdown. It is doing FAR more harm than covid ever could. It is being perpetuated for political reason by the left to remove Trump from the white house. I fought the Russian Fairy Tale from the beginning, I objected to impeachment throughout that waste of time and money, and I loathe the lockdown.
Perhaps in the future you will check out the person you are talking to before you stoop to insults.
I hate Trump hate, and assumptions that everything he does is self-serving, nefarious and racist.
Those aren't just assumptions, but facts. Trump hasn't done anything in his public life but serve himself and his immediate relatives. He is a racist, always has been; look up the lawsuits against him for not wanting to allow blacks in his buildings, and just listen to him speak about the "caravan" of drug dealers and rapists (and quickly adding that he's sure that SOME of them are good people...)
They are not facts. Choose one specific thing Trump has done as president and is racist that you can support with facts and we will discuss it.
Every single business owner is urged to buy "discrimination insurance" because someday they WILL be sued by a disgruntled employee for discrimination. That he has been sued is not proof that he is racist.
Trump's verbiage may not be to your liking (it sure is not to mine), but his policies have been very fair, even beneficial, to minorities. Find one that you think is racist and we can talk about that.
I have asked a great many of my fellow liberals to engage with me on a discussion of one specific issue, and every single one of those liberals so far has instead provided me with a long list of vague grievances they have about him. I have the lists. I don't want another list. I'm hoping to find one issue we can delve into.
I'm kind of astonished that you ask for proof that Trump's a racist, and that you dismiss so lightly his rhetoric. I'm still very busy and can't go into detail now, but I'll incorporate an answer in today's post; it's sort of related and this question of proof of Trump's racism is one I often encounter.
Oh good! thank you. I have not been able to get one single person to go into detail on this. I just want to discuss it. I'm not convinced at all. I think Trump does not care one whit if you are black, a woman, get an abortion or wear a white hood. These are all things he does not see.
Trump won't be the only one trying to rig the elections.
I do believe that I wrote: "...don't forget that the Democrats aren't innocent in this...", and besides that it should be clear by now that I have love for neither party. Having said that though, there's no black and white here, there are only different shades of grey and when it comes to rigging elections the Republican's grey is of a far darker complexion. I don't think I have to elaborate on their history of red-lining and their relentless efforts to suppress the back votes; it's amazing that there even exist black conservatives in America, as the Republican party has always been a racist party. Also it's always been an anti-worker party and a pro industrial capitalists party; if you're not white or a multi millionaire, a vote for the Republican party is a vote against your own interest. Sure a vote for a Democrat is also a vote against your own interest, but remember the shades of gray... Ideologies aside, that's the only rational conclusion to make right now in 2020. Besides all that, it's still true that both parties are rooted in racism, and even that the Republicans were originally the anti slavery party; that still doesn't erase the simple fact, not opinion, that they are right now the traditional pro white, anti working class party. If you have the time, look up every instance that an American president has won the elections without winning a majority of the votes nation-wide; that were Republicans every single time and is a result of their relentless voter-suppression, especially the black votes.
Now, let's include ideology; I'm a leftist, a radical leftist even, and openly so. If you, like me, see that capitalism has gone too far, that we're back in the days of the robber-barons (which is capitalism at its finest), and the we urgently need capitalism and capitalists curbed by applying some socialist principles that are rooted in a sense of community, as opposed to the capitalist idolization of the individual, voting is not a matter of "who do you like?" No, it's applying your vote as a strategic tool; the question therefore is "who do you want to fight against after the elections?" Do you want to fight for your preferred policies against a fascist Republican, or against a neoliberal Democrat? That choice is no choice at all in my opinion; of course you'd rather fight against Biden than against Trump. Biden is the corporatist asshole who fed the prison industrial complex with millions of non-violent young black men with his 1994 crime bill, and is therefore responsible for much of the systemic racism that's directly responsible for all the social unrest and protests right now. And Trump should get down on his knees and thank Biden for creating the circumstances that allowed him to win the 2016 elections. Still, Trump's a fascist or proto-fascist, and Biden is just a run-of-the-mill neoliberal corporatist; if that's not abundantly clear, I just don't know what to say anymore.
And to go back for a moment to the Democrats rigging the vote... They've rigged their own primaries, but only with the effect that they've diminished their own chances of winning the elections in November, and I strongly suspect that's deliberate; they will be just fine, even if Trump wins. Pelosi recently said that she believes Biden should not debate Trump at all, which is yet another open admission to their not caring about winning or losing the elections. They are so goddamn proud to have the help of the "Never Trumper" Republicans, which is also highly suspect because they are mainly the neoconservative war-hawks who lied the country into the illegal wars against Afghanistan and Iraq. So as far as the Democrats try to rig elections, they're not very good at it and mainly shoot themselves in the foot, possibly on purpose. In you other comment you say that the call to vote you receive on FB is "election interference" by the Democratic party... Why? It doesn't say to vote for them, just to go out and vote, and to register to vote. Or stay home and vote. So unless you've bought into Trump's fear-mongering about the mail-in vote, I don't understand why anyone would be bothered by this. A caveat though: I don't use FB and never have, so I haven't clicked on this call to action and don't know what's behind it. What I say here is purely reacting to the image you've placed in your comment.
Thank you for your considered response! So much in here. My favorite part is democrats shooting themselves in the foot, which they do on a regular basis. Why would I vote for a party that shoots itself in the foot as a seemingly deliberate strategy? Or for a party that stages elaborate ruses to explain away their own incompetence, such as the Russian Fairy Tale, wasting MY money and MY time, because they can't say "maybe we should rethink our strategy"? Or impeachment?! Another massive waste of time and money. We all would have been much better off had they put that much energy into doing the jobs we elected them to do, which is to craft and correct legislation. "Do nothing Democrats" is no false moniker.
I do not care for either candidate, but the Dem candidates came out on their first day together and said the worst thing they could have said as far as i am concerned: that a true leader would ban all breathing of fresh air from that day until after the election. Their demanding more pedantic tyranny than what we are all living under already did not give me a warm and fuzzy. In fact, I decided at that moment that the two of them would never ever be my president/VP.
Trump is supporting the tyranny as well, although letting the localities decide how to handle things for their state was a great move, very constitutional of him, and we will be able to see whether freedom or lock down produced the better results - at present it's looking like a tie for controlling covid, and a massive win for freedom in all other things.
As president, I know what Trump would do, now that we've seen what that is for four years, and I don't think he has done anything all that horrible, just Republican policy which may stick in my craw, but does no real lasting harm (I realize this is debatable). When it comes to Harris/Biden though, I have no idea what they will do, or rather the only specific thing they have told us is that they will tyrannize us even more. No way I am voting for them. This will be the first presidential election in my life that I will not vote Democrat, and I have showed up at the polls for that election 11 times.
I disagree that Republicans are more racist than Democrats or that Republican policy is racist. Both of those are democratic party fiction. This is a long conversation, but it's rooted in freedom to make ones own value judgments. I consider your statement that "black people vote against their interests" a racist statement. Sorry. It suggests that we white better off folks know more about what is right for poor dumb black folks than they do themselves, that they are stupid to not be liberals and that's why they are also poor; that they are stupid and weak and need us to tell them right from wrong. Many are conservative thinkers and a conservative lifestyle is more true to their own selves than a liberal one would be.
Conservatism is not a great evil. I know your disdain for Peterson, but he is 100% correct on this point imo. Sameness is the Democratic Party goal, and that IS a great evil. Read The Giver (Lowry) if you never have. I also recommend Oryx and Crake, Atwood.
I know, @amirl, it's a bad thing that even a lot of women will defend this Neanderthal... But hey, it's also the Democrats' fault for cooperating with the Republicans for decades in creating the socioeconomic circumstances that drove the American people to want to vote for this fascist clown...
Never mind over 20 million fake people voted in 2016 against Trump. Over 100 fake votes are voting against Trump illegally in 2020. Way over 100 million in an already close race. They're stealing it from Trump like they did in 2016, the popular vote that is.
Oh my God... You really do believe those ridiculous conspiracy theories, don't you? Or that the Russians did it. Or Russian bots. Or that there's a secret plot by far-left professors trying to destroy American culture... Wow...
I will say the sky is blue and you will say that is a conspiracy theory which the CIA termed, the CIA coined the phrase, the idiom, the wording, "Conspiracy theory" in the 1960's for example. You are either really dumb or really evil. Not sure which of the two you are yet. I'm saying that because you might as well say 2 genders is a conspiracy theory. George Washington is a conspiracy theory, right? How do we even know George ever existed, right? Let's not even talk about China. In America, in 2016 and especially 2020, there is voter harvesting where a single person ends up collecting the names of Hulk Hogan's friend's pet, the names of dead people, other names, and they fill out the forms and register to vote and/or end up getting all of these mail-in ballots and they fill them out and send them in to vote against Trump. Plus, in 2016, they would find many thousands of Trump ballot boxes on the side of highways. In other places, they were caught on camera shredding the ballots up in 2016. The list goes on and on. The evidence is overwhelming. There are documentaries, books, etc, all about it. 2020 is and will be a million times worse and they said they will not concede to Trump when Trump wins. Even Hillary Clinton said on camera in a video interview in August of 2020 that Biden must not concede in November of 2020 when Trump wins. Other people are saying the same things in actual videos. You could go right now and watch the videos and then go on Twitter and go to their Twitter pages to see them saying what they already said in the videos and then you can call them all conspiracy theories.
And two scoops of ice-cream, yum yum.
Trump won't be the only one trying to rig the elections. I don't know why anyone thinks it will only be him, when the Dems have amply demonstrated they will pull plenty of dirty tricks to win as well, such as continuing the covid con, which is doing grave harm, far graver than that stupid virus.
Are you insane? You hate Trump that much? The lockdown hates Trump too.
Please do not insult me.
Did you read the post by zyxx?
I don't hate Trump at all. I hate Trump hate, and assumptions that everything he does is self-serving, nefarious and racist. These assumptions are untrue. I do not think he is doing anything to rig the election although I didn't quite go as far as to say that in my comment, so as not to come off as unnecessarily combative.
I also hate the lockdown. It is doing FAR more harm than covid ever could. It is being perpetuated for political reason by the left to remove Trump from the white house. I fought the Russian Fairy Tale from the beginning, I objected to impeachment throughout that waste of time and money, and I loathe the lockdown.
Perhaps in the future you will check out the person you are talking to before you stoop to insults.
I like free markets.
I hate the lockdown too.
I want to make government smaller.
Trump agrees with you that the lockdown sucks.
Those aren't just assumptions, but facts. Trump hasn't done anything in his public life but serve himself and his immediate relatives. He is a racist, always has been; look up the lawsuits against him for not wanting to allow blacks in his buildings, and just listen to him speak about the "caravan" of drug dealers and rapists (and quickly adding that he's sure that SOME of them are good people...)
They are not facts. Choose one specific thing Trump has done as president and is racist that you can support with facts and we will discuss it.
Every single business owner is urged to buy "discrimination insurance" because someday they WILL be sued by a disgruntled employee for discrimination. That he has been sued is not proof that he is racist.
Trump's verbiage may not be to your liking (it sure is not to mine), but his policies have been very fair, even beneficial, to minorities. Find one that you think is racist and we can talk about that.
I have asked a great many of my fellow liberals to engage with me on a discussion of one specific issue, and every single one of those liberals so far has instead provided me with a long list of vague grievances they have about him. I have the lists. I don't want another list. I'm hoping to find one issue we can delve into.
I'm kind of astonished that you ask for proof that Trump's a racist, and that you dismiss so lightly his rhetoric. I'm still very busy and can't go into detail now, but I'll incorporate an answer in today's post; it's sort of related and this question of proof of Trump's racism is one I often encounter.
Oh good! thank you. I have not been able to get one single person to go into detail on this. I just want to discuss it. I'm not convinced at all. I think Trump does not care one whit if you are black, a woman, get an abortion or wear a white hood. These are all things he does not see.
Thanks so much for your response @owasco :-)
I do believe that I wrote: "...don't forget that the Democrats aren't innocent in this...", and besides that it should be clear by now that I have love for neither party. Having said that though, there's no black and white here, there are only different shades of grey and when it comes to rigging elections the Republican's grey is of a far darker complexion. I don't think I have to elaborate on their history of red-lining and their relentless efforts to suppress the back votes; it's amazing that there even exist black conservatives in America, as the Republican party has always been a racist party. Also it's always been an anti-worker party and a pro industrial capitalists party; if you're not white or a multi millionaire, a vote for the Republican party is a vote against your own interest. Sure a vote for a Democrat is also a vote against your own interest, but remember the shades of gray... Ideologies aside, that's the only rational conclusion to make right now in 2020. Besides all that, it's still true that both parties are rooted in racism, and even that the Republicans were originally the anti slavery party; that still doesn't erase the simple fact, not opinion, that they are right now the traditional pro white, anti working class party. If you have the time, look up every instance that an American president has won the elections without winning a majority of the votes nation-wide; that were Republicans every single time and is a result of their relentless voter-suppression, especially the black votes.
Now, let's include ideology; I'm a leftist, a radical leftist even, and openly so. If you, like me, see that capitalism has gone too far, that we're back in the days of the robber-barons (which is capitalism at its finest), and the we urgently need capitalism and capitalists curbed by applying some socialist principles that are rooted in a sense of community, as opposed to the capitalist idolization of the individual, voting is not a matter of "who do you like?" No, it's applying your vote as a strategic tool; the question therefore is "who do you want to fight against after the elections?" Do you want to fight for your preferred policies against a fascist Republican, or against a neoliberal Democrat? That choice is no choice at all in my opinion; of course you'd rather fight against Biden than against Trump. Biden is the corporatist asshole who fed the prison industrial complex with millions of non-violent young black men with his 1994 crime bill, and is therefore responsible for much of the systemic racism that's directly responsible for all the social unrest and protests right now. And Trump should get down on his knees and thank Biden for creating the circumstances that allowed him to win the 2016 elections. Still, Trump's a fascist or proto-fascist, and Biden is just a run-of-the-mill neoliberal corporatist; if that's not abundantly clear, I just don't know what to say anymore.
And to go back for a moment to the Democrats rigging the vote... They've rigged their own primaries, but only with the effect that they've diminished their own chances of winning the elections in November, and I strongly suspect that's deliberate; they will be just fine, even if Trump wins. Pelosi recently said that she believes Biden should not debate Trump at all, which is yet another open admission to their not caring about winning or losing the elections. They are so goddamn proud to have the help of the "Never Trumper" Republicans, which is also highly suspect because they are mainly the neoconservative war-hawks who lied the country into the illegal wars against Afghanistan and Iraq. So as far as the Democrats try to rig elections, they're not very good at it and mainly shoot themselves in the foot, possibly on purpose. In you other comment you say that the call to vote you receive on FB is "election interference" by the Democratic party... Why? It doesn't say to vote for them, just to go out and vote, and to register to vote. Or stay home and vote. So unless you've bought into Trump's fear-mongering about the mail-in vote, I don't understand why anyone would be bothered by this. A caveat though: I don't use FB and never have, so I haven't clicked on this call to action and don't know what's behind it. What I say here is purely reacting to the image you've placed in your comment.
Thank you for your considered response! So much in here. My favorite part is democrats shooting themselves in the foot, which they do on a regular basis. Why would I vote for a party that shoots itself in the foot as a seemingly deliberate strategy? Or for a party that stages elaborate ruses to explain away their own incompetence, such as the Russian Fairy Tale, wasting MY money and MY time, because they can't say "maybe we should rethink our strategy"? Or impeachment?! Another massive waste of time and money. We all would have been much better off had they put that much energy into doing the jobs we elected them to do, which is to craft and correct legislation. "Do nothing Democrats" is no false moniker.
I do not care for either candidate, but the Dem candidates came out on their first day together and said the worst thing they could have said as far as i am concerned: that a true leader would ban all breathing of fresh air from that day until after the election. Their demanding more pedantic tyranny than what we are all living under already did not give me a warm and fuzzy. In fact, I decided at that moment that the two of them would never ever be my president/VP.
Trump is supporting the tyranny as well, although letting the localities decide how to handle things for their state was a great move, very constitutional of him, and we will be able to see whether freedom or lock down produced the better results - at present it's looking like a tie for controlling covid, and a massive win for freedom in all other things.
As president, I know what Trump would do, now that we've seen what that is for four years, and I don't think he has done anything all that horrible, just Republican policy which may stick in my craw, but does no real lasting harm (I realize this is debatable). When it comes to Harris/Biden though, I have no idea what they will do, or rather the only specific thing they have told us is that they will tyrannize us even more. No way I am voting for them. This will be the first presidential election in my life that I will not vote Democrat, and I have showed up at the polls for that election 11 times.
I disagree that Republicans are more racist than Democrats or that Republican policy is racist. Both of those are democratic party fiction. This is a long conversation, but it's rooted in freedom to make ones own value judgments. I consider your statement that "black people vote against their interests" a racist statement. Sorry. It suggests that we white better off folks know more about what is right for poor dumb black folks than they do themselves, that they are stupid to not be liberals and that's why they are also poor; that they are stupid and weak and need us to tell them right from wrong. Many are conservative thinkers and a conservative lifestyle is more true to their own selves than a liberal one would be.
Conservatism is not a great evil. I know your disdain for Peterson, but he is 100% correct on this point imo. Sameness is the Democratic Party goal, and that IS a great evil. Read The Giver (Lowry) if you never have. I also recommend Oryx and Crake, Atwood.
OK there is much more to say, but I gots to go!
Do you have a specific issue we can discuss?
This post is not about Trump. My comment was not in defense of Trump. Your actions here are irrelevant to the post.
I consider this demand, which I encounter every single time I go to my home page on FB, to be election interference by the Democratic Party.
I know, @amirl, it's a bad thing that even a lot of women will defend this Neanderthal... But hey, it's also the Democrats' fault for cooperating with the Republicans for decades in creating the socioeconomic circumstances that drove the American people to want to vote for this fascist clown...