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Your right to your personal freedom does not trump the right of those millions to feel or be safe!

Actually, yes, it absolutely does. If basic human rights do not trump the 'right' as you put it for others (even millions of others) to feel safe, then we are living in a tyrannical society of mob rule, where the feelings of the mob of millions trumps the basic human rights of everyone else. This is a foundational principle of a free society. If the mere feelings of millions could legitimately take away basic human rights, then there could be no freedom of speech, freedom of expression, freedom of religion, etc. Your right to feel safe ends where my basic human rights begin, and we all have a basic human right to breathe freely and naturally as we were born to do, and to not be dehumanized by being forced to wear a ritualistic muzzle, because that's what these masks are. You may argue that my choice to not wear a mask threatens others, however, 1) I'm not sick, 2) those who feel unsafe being around those without masks have EVERY RIGHT TO STAY AT HOME BEHIND A MASK and therefore I'm not putting anyone at risk who isn't first putting themselves at risk by going out in public, and 3) ALL THE EVIDENCE SUGGESTS MASKS DON'T EVEN WORK TO STOP THE SPREAD OF VIRUSES. There are numerous peer-reviewed medical studies demonstrating this, all in agreement, including one CDC review of the decades of studies published in May coming to this same conclusion. And maybe you were unaware, but there are now experts whose studies show that the so-called virus has mutated to get around masks anyway, so even if they initially worked, they don't work to stop the new mutated strain fueling the so-called second wave now upon us.

Plus, no 'anti-maskers' as you put it are demanding that those who wish to wear masks take them off! On the contrary, I as a supporter of your freedom stand behind your right to wear a mask or not, as you so choose. Neither am I, as one of those 'egoists' as you put it, even actually an 'anti-masker', for I'm not against masks nor against those who choose to wear them, even if stand against the agenda of mass societal masking. I'm simply against lone dictators (governors who impose the unconstitutional mandates here in the US) and/or the will of the fear-induced mob of millions forcing me to wear one in order to function as a free human being in society.

Those who mandate masks now will soon be mandating vaccines, whether at a state or societal level. In fact it has already begun. Do you also believe I have no right not to be vaccinated, because it might make millions feel less safe? Do you also believe that what is put or not put into my (and by extension, your) body is no longer my (and by extension, your) choice?

Maybe you are unaware, but there are demonstrable, documented (in peer-reviewed medical journals) negative side effects of long-term mask use, and we are nearing month 12 of nonstop daily mask use for many. Face coverings of all types restrict the flow of oxygen into and CO2 out of the body, lowering blood oxygen levels. This is physically UNHEALTHY.

And then there is the dehumanization aspect of forcing humanity to wear masks long-term, particularly if this extends for the rest of their lives. Yes, the predictive programming has been saying for months now that masks are with us to stay for many years, even AFTER vaccines arrive, even after populations are largely vaccinated, even after the pandemic is over, even FOREVER. This is mentally and emotionally UNHEALTHY. But doing the healthy thing in this case makes others feel unsafe, so screw the health of the millions of Americans who wish not to wear a mask, right?

Fear is the real enemy here, the real mind killer, and the whole world is currently under the spell of fear. This has nothing to do with public health and safety, and everything to do with fear and control. I choose not to live in fear, nor to be controlled by it or by those peddling it.

You also appear to mistakenly presume that everyone who goes about in public without a mask makes a big scene when asked to put a mask on, and this too is a false assumption. I go around, even here in leftist California fearville, and rarely get asked to put one on. When I do, I don't make a big scene about it either. I'm respectful, and if a private business won't do business with me for this reason, I ultimately choose to go elsewhere or cover my face to avoid a bigger confrontation. Contrary to the media programming, most of us who refuse to wear masks are not selfish egotistical right wing extremists intentionally going around trying to get others sick. We're just humans who wish to go about our lives like normal without being harassed for refusing to bow to the Orwellian, technocratic agenda to dehumanize humanity.

All the facts I reference here are documented in numerous blog posts of mine going back months. If you seek clarification on any particular point, just ask and I'll share the relevant links. Or scroll through my posts to the ones about masks. There are a good many, filled with dozens of reputable sources.

Have a great weekend, and take care.

I'd say it in memes if I were you! lol...Speaking rationally and logically has no effect on the delusional.

While I find your texts and passages worthwhile to read and consider, I do not so in this matter.

Those who prefer to live in the subjunctive will always argue that anything harmful could happen, deal with probabilities and possibilities and so on. A life in which something bad could happen every day, you never know for sure, how can this be an existence worth living if you are imbued with the idea that you are a walking killer just by being alive?

This attitude that anyone could potentially kill anyone else at any time in any encounter, is it not deeply pathological and irrational? Where no more attack of a physical nature needs to occur to justifiably want to be safe from it. Just being too close is considered deadly? Seriously?

Egoistic? What is to be confused with egoism when people decide to trust their own eyes, ears, mind and above all their own body?
Do you need someone to confirm how healthy or sick you are, can't you tell on your own?

Your argument stands and falls with the fact that you believe in contagion without disease. If you really believe that, then you are not only in favour of wearing masks, then you believe everything that is sold to you as prevention and saving your health and your existence, and you are of the opinion that there is always a higher authority that should decide such things about you and others?

The masks are just a symbol and a reminder that we should all be distanced from each other. There are various statements confirming this, ironically from those in politics and the health industry who said that "the masks actually do not protect but serve an educational purpose".

You are smart, why do you not see and listen to those blunt statements which are being made by those in power all over the places?

All you need to know about masks, from the experts themselves...

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Only question is, are you willing to wear a mask for years or even forever just to make others feel safe, or because 'they' say so? Unmasking is not selfish, it's natural for anyone who's not living under the spell of fear humanity's been put under.

Hi there @jasonliberty :-) Thanks for your responses; I really do appreciate you taking the time and effort. Having said that, I don't think you'll be surprised to learn that I do not agree. I Post this response under your second response, but you can take it as a response to both of them. Also, this should serve as a response to @erh.germany, whose comments I also appreciate and take to heart.

Now, I'll just make a few remarks here and hope that suffices to get across my stance on all of this. First, I tried (and apparently failed) to make a distinction between government-enforced measures and simple human decency, the simple act of showing consideration for each others' health, and yes, each others' feelings as well; that's why I included the comparison with religiosity. Second, with or without a state or government, we live by our instincts, fear being prime among them. When I move through traffic, I live in constant existential fear of being hit or run over, which is why I take great personal responsibility to watch the movements of others, and I rely on the assumption (sometimes unjustified) that others do the same. However, I'm also greatly reassured by the existence of the traffic-lights and stop-signs imposed upon us by the government.

Then there's this constant, and in my opinion futile debate about "fundamental rights" or "God-given rights" or "fundamental freedoms"... These do not exist, unless when you're living on an uninhabited island, all on your own. It's probably very nice to fantasize about these rights, but in practice you only enjoy the rights and freedoms that are given to you by the society of men and women you're part of. Luck has it that we're social creatures and that we're endowed by nature with mirror-neurons that steer us towards social behavior. Having consideration for each other is hard-coded into our biology, so when you say that "Unmasking is not selfish, it's natural for anyone who's not living under the spell of fear humanity's been put under," I respond by saying that it is you who's acting unnatural and yes, egoistic. But then again, an "appeal to nature" is a well-known logical fallacy, so this can go either way; hence the appeal to decency...

those who feel unsafe being around those without masks have EVERY RIGHT TO STAY AT HOME BEHIND A MASK and therefore I'm not putting anyone at risk who isn't first putting themselves at risk by going out in public

It all comes down to this. Why do you think it's okay for you to impede on my right to go outside by not considering my health? You can go outside and I can go outside, if only we both take the well-being of all who surround us into consideration. And if that's helped by either traffic-lights or temporarily wearing a mask, then so be it. It doesn't have to be more complicated than that. It shouldn't require some government mandate to do that simple thing. Especially in America where 3000 people die every day, in part because that country in particular is full of people who actually believe it's their individual right to have no consideration for their fellow human beings. The American constitution has very strong protections for individual rights, yet it still begins with "We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union..." Unfortunately that's the part they all know, but increasingly refuse to actually live by.

The US Surgeon General tweeted this in February. Fauci also appealed to the public to not buy masks in February. I hope you know the reason behind that appeal, but I guess you don't because if you did you wouldn't have included is as "proof" that wearing a mask doesn't help... Back then there was a shortage of N95 masks and they wanted to make sure there were enough of them for the medical professionals. Fauci defended this "white lie" later by saying: "I don't regret anything I said then because in the context of the time in which I said it, it was correct. We were told in our task force meetings that we have a serious problem with the lack of PPEs." Furthermore, for every one research showing masks aren't effective there are ten that say the exact opposite. And besides that, why do you think doctors and surgeons wear masks while they're at work? Why were people wearing masks even in the early 1900s during the Spanish Flew outbreak? Do you really need to go on the hunt for the occasional outliers?

I do agree that we always need to be cautious when governments try to make us safer; there's almost always some nefarious and unspoken motivation to do so, and as I said in my post, I'm sure they'll try to do so right now as well. That I grant you with no trouble at all. But with 3000 deaths every day, I'd say it's time to get with the program. It's like the difference between ripping of a band-aid with one fell swoop, or prolonging the agony by slowly peeling it off. Speaking of which, if we all do this, we can have our answer about whether the government wants us to wear masks "forever" or not. You, by not wearing a mask, prevent us from ever getting that answer, and maybe it's you then who condemns us to a severely prolongation of the mask-wearing period.

In closing, let me inform you that here where I live, in The Netherlands, there's also a large part of the population that refuses to wear a mask; anti-maskers are everywhere and I've had personal experience with them. And now my mother in law, my wife and myself all are infected with covid-19. We have a mild version, so I'm told, but we're all quarantined until 10 days after my wife got infected. We know exactly how and from whom we got it, not through government tracking but mouth-to-mouth information, no pun intended. My mother in law got it from her nanny, my wife from her mother and I from my wife. This mini-drama is happening all over the world on the same small scale as to make it easy to see the infection-pattern. I didn't include this in the post, because in my opinion a simple appeal to decency and reason should be enough, but I do include it here to show you that the fear doesn't always come from above. And there is fear here; I'm not worried about myself or my wife, but my mother in law is old and weak.

So, there you have it. Again, I appreciate your responses a lot. We can disagree without wanting to make each others' lives more difficult, and wearing a face mask is a very small thing to do, that's ultimately my opinion.

Hi,

I answer anyways, even though I cannot find my arguments referred to in the first place.

With that mindset, you would have to take the same safety precautions with all other statistical death probabilities similar to Corona.

If we had a killer disease that was really as deadly, no one would debate or doubt the matter.

If we had such a plague, then all people would behave considerately all by themselves, they would not only wear a mask, but probably far more effective protective clothing or devices, no one would get the crazy idea to see the issue as controversial.

No one would demonstrate in the streets against the measures. No one would get upset, but would sensibly stay at home all by themselves and only leave the house in the very extreme emergency. People would refuse to go to work should a company be so narrow-minded as to insist that people come to work. But even that would not be the case. Everyone would agree that such cautious behaviour would be appropriate.

In the case of a killer virus of great lethality, each of us would already have numerous deaths to mourn among our closest relatives, friends and colleagues, we would all be witnesses to this tragedy and we would be surprised if a government or the media were asking us all the time to stick to the rules, because we would not need to have these rules explained to us by anyone, we would know it by ourselves and by our own experience. Such a dangerous disease, it would take hold of people in inconceivably large numbers even if all possible precautions were taken.

The fact that, as you can see in your video, people are arguing about the mask issue, going shopping in the immediate vicinity of each other, driving taxis and so on, that would be unthinkable because it would be an absolute luxury to be in public and argue with each other in such a debauched manner.

Is it possible that what angers us - pro or anti-mask - is the madness towards this situations at all?

The taxi driver wouldn't even have got into his taxi, he wouldn't be carrying a single passenger, we'd have an epidemic. The shop assistants in the supermarket wouldn't have anyone to argue with because they very likely wouldn't be going to work. You would also have to reckon with the fact that people would only want to get their groceries by delivery. No one who could catch a deadly disease would demand to be able to live normally again, because the matter would be of absolute fate, like a tsunami or an earthquake.

I don't know of any politicians or community leaders who would stand up and make a broad smear campaign against rule-refusers who, for example, would take a bus full of schoolchildren to the coast in the event of a flood. Since there would be no such action nor campaign.

In this respect, would it not be wise to give more room to doubt?

some second thoughts - because you write about egoism:

The same arguments you use against the mask sceptics apply just as much the other way round. How many old people do you think have died in nursing homes and at home because of the lockdowns? Underserved, neglected and alone? How many relatives are not allowed into the homes or hospitals? If you think that people cannot die of grief or loneliness when they are already old and sick, then I would also call you selfish. How many relatives have been denied to accompany their dying in the kindness and time intervals determined by themselves? How many old and sick people are sedated because not enough staff were - or will be - present, and then the machines are quietly turned off when they die without a sound, without even a single person being with them at the moment of their death? How many people are mishandled through panic, fear and uncertainty, left emotionally alone as well as suffering physical overdoses from panic treatments?

If fear is your "natural" way of moving through life, I ask you, what do you do about it?

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That compilation video could be a trailer to the sequel of Idiocy.

:-) Yes, I agree. Thanks so much for stopping by and reading my posts @altleft :-)

Its really amazing isn't it? How the anti-natural health people act? I like to use that term to show them a little bit of their own medicine.

I grew up on a sheep farm, and they had less herd mentality than you, matey!

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